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03-29-2013 09:18 AM
crussell85 Another thing i have found in the glocks is that the trigger reset seems to be a lot more defineddefined or noticeable than other pistols. Which will aid in faster shooting and staying on target.
03-29-2013 08:43 AM
AutoGear I'll add that there were only a handful of approved ammo to carry in 40S&W on our contract. 165gr and 180gr Golden Saber's (the P226 preferred the 165gr) and the Silver Tips in...I seem to remember 155gr.
I also tried CorBons 135gr. (personal use) but kept going back to the GS and ST's mentioned earlier. There was a note in my file about avoiding high pressure rounds back then; Im not sure on the specifics, or if it was a lot of sizzle and no steak. We were limited to only approved rounds and I never had an FTF or FTE with those so I kept using them LOL.
03-29-2013 07:56 AM
AutoGear I carried as an armed guard off an on for years, and was raised on the farm, so firearms are part of my core values. That said...I -hate- Glocks. And not for the usual reasons (aesthetics, tupperguns "buy 'Merican" etc) It just plain doesn't feel "right" in my hand. Whenever I shoot one, I constantly have to re-adjust my point of aim, its just not natural for me.

However, one of my most prized possessions is a Sig Sauer P220 full-size from Europe in 9mm. This thing is super accurate and rock solid dependable. My daily carry was a P226 2-tone in .40 S&W. I had a CZ 52 for awhile too.

I have shot a few high end 1911 Kimbers, they make a fine gun; but for a daily carry, Id probably get a good quality Turkish/ Phillipine 1911 clone, as my P226 was fairly beat up by the time I quit, I could never justify the expense of a Kimber when there are many user-grade 1911s for reasonable money that are just as dependable.

Id also recommend the XD45 if you're on a budget. A lot of the younger guards carried these when they first came out, either in 9mm or .45

One of my friends is a Sheriff (known affectionately as Tackleberry) and he carries a 10mm full-size Glock. That thing is a bear to shoot for my 150pd frame. And 'yes' I know the .40S&W is a shortened 10mm case, but I find the P226 in 40SW, albeit a snotty round to shoot versus the fullsize Glock 10mm(G20?) to be much more controllable for follow-up shots. There is such a thing as 'overkill' for personal defense. Anything more than say 12" of penetration then becomes a liability as it will blow through a normal target and keep on truckin.

Anyway, buy it! Im not a Glock fan, but it'll hold its resale value and you'll probably make money later if you decide to get something else
03-28-2013 12:48 AM
cobalt327 1971BB427, sounds like you're set for life!

ALL pistol calibers are scarce around here. You can still pick up ammo at WalMart but you have to be there at 7am and sort of feel out who's looking to buy what. Usually there's enough to go around so everyone gets something. Some guys I see there every time I go- doing online sales, I suppose. Or rabid survivalists.

My most recent buy at WM was .45, bought 100 Winchester 230 gr. ball for $40.00. If I wasn't going to the range w/a buddy I wouldn't have paid it, but not enough time (or gumption) to get the reloader out. They wanted $32.00 for 50 Win. 230 JHP, passed on that as I still have some factory Speer GD left if shtf.

Most rifle ammo isn't quite so bad as long as it's not .223/5.56 or 7.62x39. Shot shells can be bought.
03-27-2013 06:41 PM
302 Z28
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Originally Posted by crussell85 View Post
I don't see much cost savings reloading 9mm ammo. Maybe a Buck or two.
You obviously have not tried to find any 9mm lately. Academy is limiting one box per customer, Cheaper Than Dirt has it but they are raping people. I reload 9mm, 45ACP, 5.56mm, and 30-06. 9mm brass is all over the place at the range. It baffles me that people do not pick up their brass. Every Tuesday I picj up several hunders rounds of brass 9mm and 45 ACP. My Dillon Precision 550B was the best Christmas present yet.

Vince
03-27-2013 05:17 PM
prostreet6t9
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Originally Posted by cal1320 View Post
I see significant savings and no availability problems. I shoot lead (not Glock friendly), not jacketed bullets. Currently I am still using bullets and primers bought before the glut.
9mm Lead round nose $55.50 per thousand
primers $30.00 per thousand
powder $22.00 per pound
cases Free

.0555 lead + .03 primer + .015 powder =.1005 each round or $10.05 per hundred rounds
You have Primers in Florida??
03-27-2013 04:50 PM
1971BB427
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Originally Posted by cal1320 View Post
I see significant savings and no availability problems. I shoot lead (not Glock friendly), not jacketed bullets. Currently I am still using bullets and primers bought before the glut.
9mm Lead round nose $55.50 per thousand
primers $30.00 per thousand
powder $22.00 per pound
cases Free

.0555 lead + .03 primer + .015 powder =.1005 each round or $10.05 per hundred rounds
I've reloaded and cast my own for so long that it's almost free now. I have 500+ lbs. of lead I got free, primers I got when they were $10 per thousand, and powder I bought at less than $10 a pound. I've got more than I'll use in my lifetime, especially since I don't shoot cometitively anymore.
03-27-2013 04:46 PM
1971BB427 I too was raised on single action semiautos, and competed in bullseye match pistol with a S&W 745 IPSC for years. I can't get used to any typical DA-SA semi, let alone a DA only like the Glock. And the plastic overmolded frame just doesn't do a thing for me. I can handle plastic grips, but I really prefer wood and steel.
03-27-2013 04:37 PM
cobalt327 I have an old RCBS press w/.45 ACP, .30-30, .38/.357 and 5.56 dies. Never was much of a 9mm fan (or .40 S&W for that matter) but recently that's changed for me, so I'll be adding them.

Thinking about getting into casting bullets, considering I'm going to be using an aftermarket .40-to-9MM conversion barrel- stock Glock barrels don't like cast lead. But if I can source decent cast bullets locally, I'll stock up- I do not mind paying someone to cast them as long as the quality is there and the price is reasonable.
03-27-2013 04:25 PM
cal1320
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Originally Posted by crussell85 View Post
I don't see much cost savings reloading 9mm ammo. Maybe a Buck or two.
I see significant savings and no availability problems. I shoot lead (not Glock friendly), not jacketed bullets. Currently I am still using bullets and primers bought before the glut.
9mm Lead round nose $55.50 per thousand
primers $30.00 per thousand
powder $22.00 per pound
cases Free

.0555 lead + .03 primer + .015 powder =.1005 each round or $10.05 per hundred rounds
03-26-2013 08:45 PM
crussell85 I don't see much cost savings reloading 9mm ammo. Maybe a Buck or two.
03-26-2013 03:33 PM
cal1320 Nothing wrong with the .40 S&W. I have one (now my daughters gun) in a Sigma. Heavy trigger, but dead reliable. Over 3000 rounds through it. I am partial to the 1911 though. Two armscors(.45 and .38 super converted to 9mm) and a Kimber for carry plus numerous others. I hope you reload with todays ammo prices.
03-26-2013 08:37 AM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by 302 Z28 View Post
The pictures of the rounds shot into wet phone books proves nothing IMHO. The FBI ballistics tests through two layers of denim into ballistics gel are much more realistic. Two rounds came out on top as far a penetration and expansion. One was the Hornady Critical Duty and the other was the Speer Gold Dot +P. Both maintained integrity through auto galss and expanded almost 2X their original size.

Vince
I decided on the Glock 22C .40 S&W. For me it makes more sense to be able to shoot both .40 and 9mm from the same gun than it does to buy another .45 just because it can take the .50 GI conversion (although the cheaper-to-do .45 Super conversion was interesting). The .50 GI set up costs well over $600 after all's said and done, and at >$2.00 a round (for the full-zoot round), it's not something I would be plinking with! There are factory rounds available that are about $1.25/pop, but that still adds up fast considering I use at least a box of 100 .45 ball ammo every time out...

And the more I see that .50 GI round, it looks 'staged', almost too neatly opened up to have been shot into anything, IMO. But if that's actually how it expands after having been fired into a body- well, the photo speaks volumes.

(NOTE: I agree that wet phone books tell little. Having just looked into this a bit more, the manufacturer of the bullet shows a ballistic gel result that looks good. That is, until you read that the gel was just above freezing, and the bullet was traveling almost 1300 fps! Bogus, IMHO- the expansion into a human wouldn't be anything at all like the photos. "Test": 50 GI CHP)

FWIW I keep Speer GD in my early Springfield Armory 1911 (made in Illinois), it likes the 230 grain version best. I haven't seen expansion that good out of them (I'm guessing 2X expansion was through the auto glass mentioned) but it's still a good solid round w/proven stopping power, and will be the first thing I try in the .40 S&W.
03-25-2013 10:37 PM
crussell85 I carry a glock 19 on daily basis. I'm not saying that itis my favorite gun but the accessories and holsters selections make it my preference. My favorite thing about the glocks though is that the are no safeties that have to be flipped on and off. This defers some people from purchasing glocks. But if your carrying a pistol for self defense and it's time for the gun to get loud there's a pretty good chance your gonna forget about that safety. Same thing with backstraps and thumb/finger breaks on holsters. Now with this urban myth of stopping power, a 9mm, .40, .45, etc. All are pretty close for penetration according to ballistics. You get into the whole weight to power calculations. A heavier load requires more powder to go roughly the same distance and penetrate as deep as the smaller loads. With the smaller caliber gun and same length grip you carry that many more round. Also if you carry daily spend some money on a quality holster and throw uncle mikes and the serpa holsters in the garbage. Five basic rules of a holster.......made to fit the gun, retention is done ofoff the gun (no snap straps or thumb/finger breaks), stays open after the gun is drawn, covers the trigger, and allows a full firing grip on the gun.
03-25-2013 07:26 PM
spacytracy I carry and love my colt 1911. It makes me a better shot. I always carry when driving my hotrod. Had a guy on meth go crazy on me while I was stopped at a red light one day. No gun with me. I'll never make that mistake again.
My son even bought me a box of 45 acp Hornady Zombie rounds with the green inserts (just in case!)
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