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04-20-2013 09:34 AM
tech69
"It's alive"

finally done! The jamb was a pretty good match to the old one. At least one thing was. I partially welded the jamb down first so the gap would stay when I next did the open butt weld


after the open butt weld I went for the factory seam along the upper rear body panel and most importantly, getting it tacked down in the channel the deck lid sits over. Believe it or not,those few tacks were more important in keeping a good gap to the decklid than the 5 plug welds at the factory seam. So once I knew the gap was stout I went ahead and plug welded the channel without any worrying of the gap walking on me, but the thing was, I didn't want to plug it all the way to the R tail light panel cause that needed to be kicked out and tacked in place as well to keep it's gap.(no pic, sorry)

So once that wasn't going anywhere with enough room for it to be kicked out a tad at the seam of the taillight panel I went ahead and porto powered that area and got my gap and tacked it in place at the seam(to tail light panel). Thing was, I couldn't push it out WHILE checking the gap so I had to guess how far to push it out while tacking. The more tacks the less it rebounded back when the porto power wasn't pushing. So once I was confident in that I did my plug welds and it STILL WALKED on me and since I was so confident in it staying I didn't check it when I had to do the very back plug welds, which I think moved it. So after it was done I ran a small slice in the corner, pushed it back out, checked it, and re-tacked it. All better and the gap was great again!


Then it was finishing up the area around the taillight, which was also the area at the seam that I tacked down to keep my gap.


After that I went to the rocker, which was vise gripped down the whole time but at the seam it was already tacked down from the start to keep my gap.


Last was all the stupid little brackets in the back to make it look factory and little things like this...




So in the end "Frankenquarter" is done..."It's alive!" I Love a great challenge but moving forward I think it's much better to at least seek out a good donor quarter for this particular car, if any still exist, rather than cutt up the quarter like I had to just to make it match and be showcar quality. Way too much slicing and dicing, but again, I love the challenge.
04-19-2013 08:13 AM
tech69
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
I have never used those "butt weld" clamps, I was talking about C clamps, Vice Grip C clamps. I agree those butt weld clamps leave a gap, it's not much, but it sure as heck isn't a "butt" weld using them.

Brian
so let's get this straight, you would hold that thing up at the open butt seam with clamps thru the quarter? Are you back pedaling here or is that what you really do? Maybe you should try it with the strip and some holes to keep your mock up the same. The holes don't lie. you won't have to line it up each time you put it together cause you simply line up the holes. I would never sit there and clamp that big ol seam end to end and line it up EVERY time I put it together. Then again, that's without knowing what makes you think that. Maybe you have screws in the jambs or elsewhere that works decently at holding it up even at the seam? Would love to hear your way and logic on this.
04-19-2013 08:05 AM
tech69
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Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
If it was in person things would be different but here its ez .....dont respond or bring yourself down to that level...that way only one post is useless insted of pages that have to be skipped over....
What would our Guru "professor hammer" do in this situation? and whats more important, the information or your ego...I would hope its the info....
the info is more important, and as far as that goes the strips worked out well It worked efficiently, there's now no strips behind there, and little warpage.
04-19-2013 07:45 AM
MARTINSR I know you're right Mike, I know you're right.

Brian
04-19-2013 06:53 AM
deadbodyman If it was in person things would be different but here its ez .....dont respond or bring yourself down to that level...that way only one post is useless insted of pages that have to be skipped over....
What would our Guru "professor hammer" do in this situation? and whats more important, the information or your ego...I would hope its the info....
04-18-2013 08:10 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
Tech and Brian...
What is it with you two?????
its ez to read something into what someone else wrote. Lets not waste any more pages on this back and forth stuff and ruin another thread...Here, we can ALL act like professionals ....I like and respect you both but this makes you BOTH look bad and it's getting to be all the time...we can all learn something from this. things arent always ment the way we read it..let it go...and enjoy doing what we do and showing others how to do the same so all of us can learn and do better not only as body and paint men but as people...
That said ,my mother would never believe in a million years I just wrote that..
Her favorite saying was always :My son is fairly well balanced.....He has a chip on BOTH shoulders....
I'm sorry Mike, reading something into a comment is one thing but an out and out personal attack, I have a hard time leaving it lie.

Brian
04-18-2013 08:06 AM
MARTINSR
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Originally Posted by deadbodyman View Post
some people like sheetmetal butted tight (me included) so that leaves out those butt clamps.Without a strip you cant screw it all together,hold it in place and remove it for more trimming. Screw holes will all line up when you put it all back together showing you its in exactly the same spot every time.Now I've seen guys fighting to hold a panel in place with one hand and tack it on with the other and it gets messy by the time its ready for actual welding...Thats one big advantage to using a flanged joint (something for the screws to bite into) ...The problems with using a steel strip is its gets welded in with the rest of the seam,PLUS the top will act like a cup and hold water and moisture ,rusting it out well before its time.Seam sealer can help but your totally relieing on the sealer so a steel strip is out...a copper strip cant be welded so its removable after welding,it helps with warpage,and really does a better looking job thats easier...If youve ever used copper to back a weld you wont ever want to weld without it...And the screw hole are a breeze to weld when all done...
theres a lot of advantages to using a copper backing strip ,I didnt invent it, I just took it to another level ,backing long seams for butts...Butt ,thanks just the same Brian....
I have never used those "butt weld" clamps, I was talking about C clamps, Vice Grip C clamps. I agree those butt weld clamps leave a gap, it's not much, but it sure as heck isn't a "butt" weld using them.

Brian
04-18-2013 07:49 AM
deadbodyman Tech and Brian...
What is it with you two?????
its ez to read something into what someone else wrote. Lets not waste any more pages on this back and forth stuff and ruin another thread...Here, we can ALL act like professionals ....I like and respect you both but this makes you BOTH look bad and it's getting to be all the time...we can all learn something from this. things arent always ment the way we read it..let it go...and enjoy doing what we do and showing others how to do the same so all of us can learn and do better not only as body and paint men but as people...
That said ,my mother would never believe in a million years I just wrote that..
Her favorite saying was always :My son is fairly well balanced.....He has a chip on BOTH shoulders....
04-18-2013 07:22 AM
deadbodyman
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Originally Posted by MARTINSR View Post
That is a great idea! If you butt it perfectly you don't need it, but if you can't, a long seam like that is pretty hard to make perfect, you can put the copper backing, BRILLIANT!

Brian
some people like sheetmetal butted tight (me included) so that leaves out those butt clamps.Without a strip you cant screw it all together,hold it in place and remove it for more trimming. Screw holes will all line up when you put it all back together showing you its in exactly the same spot every time.Now I've seen guys fighting to hold a panel in place with one hand and tack it on with the other and it gets messy by the time its ready for actual welding...Thats one big advantage to using a flanged joint (something for the screws to bite into) ...The problems with using a steel strip is its gets welded in with the rest of the seam,PLUS the top will act like a cup and hold water and moisture ,rusting it out well before its time.Seam sealer can help but your totally relieing on the sealer so a steel strip is out...a copper strip cant be welded so its removable after welding,it helps with warpage,and really does a better looking job thats easier...If youve ever used copper to back a weld you wont ever want to weld without it...And the screw hole are a breeze to weld when all done...
theres a lot of advantages to using a copper backing strip ,I didnt invent it, I just took it to another level ,backing long seams for butts...Butt ,thanks just the same Brian....
04-17-2013 08:24 PM
tech69 thanks man. Those quarters are tough especially keeping that tail light panel from walking on you and just getting the tail lights to fit and even that stupid little brace on the bottom of the quarter needs to be sliced and bent. That thing turned into "frankenquarter" by the time it was done. Hear of any particular brand of quarters that are good for a 55? Man, this thing was off by a mile. Must have like 20 hours on it already!
04-17-2013 07:13 PM
carolinacustoms Nice job there tech. If I ever do another quarter on a tri-five I had already decided to do something different than the one we recently changed. Looks like the way you cut and welded is the way to go. We changed the full quarter and bent the inner flange you were showing, It was a major PIA to get right. There is also a piece inside the quarter under that same flange (i guess for stiffining purposes?) that is a pain to change also. I also had the same problem at the tail light area that you did, and performed a similar fix. Looking good, keep up the good work.

Kelly
04-17-2013 01:19 PM
tech69 I didn't use it for gaps, I used it to stop the quarter panel from caving in. You never even mentioned it as a possible issue. For all the long worded tutorials you put up on the net figures you'd mention something about it.
04-17-2013 11:48 AM
MARTINSR Henry, I went back thru the thread to see where it was that I said something that I would need to come back and apologize for. The only thing I can come up with is where I said "with a perfect butt you don't need it". Henry, you don't, if you have a perfect butt you don't need a backing. It can help, but I have never done it like that. Saying this doesn't mean I am all knowing, it doesn't mean I am grand standing, it doesn't mean any of that. It means that I have another way to do it. I would have used about 10 C clamp vice grips, I have them all the way from 6" to 24" and I would hold that whole thing with them, then tack weld in between them and remove the clamps. It's just another way to do it. There is no need to apologize for something I didn't do. You did it different, cool. Because I would have done it with the clamps doesn't mean I think you are wrong or not qualified or what ever. It only means I do it a different way. You can bet I won't bother you again with my suggestions.

Attacking me for this is out of line and you really need to lighten up before you have a heart attack.

Brian
04-17-2013 09:38 AM
tech69 A compliment? I was looking for a more humble response like, "oh I could have been wrong, I wasn't there to see what you were going thru". Of course you wouldn't come back to say that though.
04-17-2013 09:33 AM
MARTINSR Because of some comments you have made directed towards me on other threads I decided I wouldn't bother you with any of my grand standing advice. So you were waiting for me to come back here and compliment you on your butt welds? I'm flattered that you sat around staring at your computer waiting for the great grand stander to come and compliment you but I didn't because I saw you had returned to your old ways and didn't need anything of the sort being your head was already so big it couldn't fit in your welding helmet anymore.

So you chose to come and make a direct attack at me being I hadn't complemented you? Again, I am stunned at this, wild, absolutely wild.

Brian
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