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05-02-2013 01:55 AM
69 widetrack You've received some pretty good advice on this thread, Brian gave you an excellent tutorial on what to look for and what pitfalls to avoid, Tech 69 suggested the razor blade technique, also excellent advice, it can be a little dangerous when not used in the hands of someone that has done it before as when, Tuscon Jay mentioned, the clear has reached the proper stage of curing but, for someone who knows how, it would be the fastest and is used in many if not most body shops. JoAnn with the runner block suggestions and in all, everyone has given good advice.

roy2486 mentioned that he preferred the 3M, 3 stage polish. That's all I use is the 3M 3 stage polish, if you don't have a polisher and plan to hand polish, your best bet would be to finish your wet sanding with an extremely fine grit. I would recommend the previous grits and then step it up to 3M's tri-zac 3,000 grit pad. After using this it is quite possible to hand polish the color sanded clear when the runs are gone. In fact, there really shouldn't be a need for wax and would not recommend wax on any fresh clear.

The difference between waxing and polishing is that when you polish a top coat like clear, you are in effect taking some of that clear material off of the surface, leaving you with a high gloss. When you wax a car, your adding material to your surface and in many cases what your adding is silicone. Silicone is a product that can lead to future problems, again especially on fresh clear coat. Fresh clear coat needs to adding a silicone wax to the top of the fresh clear your are choking off or sealing the clear, not letting any remaining solvents escape and could cause the clear to die off. Turtle wax, in many of their products, use silicone, there rubbing compounds do work but, on fresh clear you are well advised to read the label to ensure that silicone doesn't touch your fresh paint job.

The 3M 3 stage process works well, doesn't use silicone and is paint friendly, a good choice in your situation.

I hope this helps.

05-02-2013 01:05 AM
roy2486 yup. turtle wax is good. i prefer 3m. i do it in 3 steps. rubbing compound(coarsest) polishing compound then a good carbauna wax. dont buy that ice crap its junk. remember wax on wax off. if you dont have a buffer make sure you buy compounds that can be hand buffed otherwise the abbrasives in it wont break down as you polish.

04-30-2013 08:40 PM
f/bird Yep, The runny nose described it pretty close on most of it and yep, it's got sags also . Sounds like alot of work to me !!!! Tanks guys
04-30-2013 07:58 AM
tech69 I personally like a bent razor blade on a fully cured run. You just tilt it at an angle and shave it with a backwards motion to not allow it to dig in but to only shave off what you want. If you do it carefully and the clear is properly cured it will only take a second of 1000 to get any marks out. I outta try a run block but have had great success with a razor. I just can't knock it.
04-30-2013 04:56 AM
jcclark These stone sanding blocks work really good.
It makes it easy to feel the run and not sand the surrounding area.
04-29-2013 05:22 PM
scottersrods MARTINSR just gave you some really great advice. You really want to not rush it and concentrate your effort on the run only! It seems to me,the condition you've described is actually more of a Sag. So,as a little help,I like to guide-coat any Run or Sag;that's how I was taught and can be a huge help.

A "Run" to me, is like a kid with a very runny Nose.It kinda charges its way down to his lip hopefully stopping just before it enters the mouth. It may have a bit of a Ball on the end,sometimes at the end of that Ball,it'll look like a thin little Rappelling Rope and a tiny Man sliding down safely where it touches the floor of your shop.That,is just a couple of different types of "Runs" where I like to employ the "Razor Blade"technique.
04-29-2013 01:47 PM
MARTINSR I have found that great care has to be taken when sanding a run. You must sand ONLY the run, it is very important to sand ONLY the run. Think about it, you have three coats of clear right next to that run, the run it's self is the thickness of 6-10 coats of clear. So while sanding that 6-10 coats you can't sand the surrounding area that is only 3 coats at all. If you only sand it a little bit, a little bit of the 6-10 coats is your 3 coats and you are THRU like right now.

So using a hard narrow block where you are ONLY sanding the run and keep an eye on it by squeegeeing off the water so you can see what you are doing often you can keep from sanding the surrounding area.

These 3M squeegees work the best I have found. They make all different sizes so you can get into tight areas.

3M Wetordry Rubber Squeegee, 05518, 2 in x 3 in-Shop 3M

Keeping an eye on what you are sanding is the best advice I can give. Sanding that run without paying very close attention and you will wipe off the water and residue to see that you have sanded thru the clear sure as poop stinks.

04-29-2013 08:46 AM
TucsonJay You will also need to make sure the job has died completely. Some brands of paint are stable in 2 days. Other brands can take weeks.

If you sand those poor brands too soon, the run will shrink later, after you flattened it, creating a depression in the surface.

Don't let famous brands fool you. From my experience, even some of the best known are not forgiving at all. Talk to someone familiar with them.
04-29-2013 06:00 AM
JoAnnBortles One of my favorite tools for removing runs are little metal blocks called Run Blockers. They are made by Motor Guard and they have saved my butt numerous times over the years. Basically, they allow you to focus your sanding on the run itself. But you have to be careful as you can end up sanding too much in that area and go thru the clear.

Sanding runs in clear is not beginner stuff. Its not easy so don't get frustrated when you sand through, cos you will. When I have to sand a run in clear, 60% of the time, I go through. This is why I always opt for having to buff some slight orange peel rather than get it too flat and having to sand a run. Getting clear to flow perfectly every time is unreal hard. Gravity is not your friend.
04-28-2013 09:08 PM
f/bird Thanks for all the info; I think I've got the general direction to get the job going !!
04-28-2013 06:54 PM
69 widetrack You could blend the base over any area that had a burn through (sanded through) the clear coat, however, your better off to clear the entire panel rather than just trying to clear over the area that you re-applied base. Clear is much harder to blend than base coat and clearing the panel should eliminate polishing back a clear blend.

04-28-2013 06:49 PM
f/bird Yes, It helps to get all the info I can ! Here's another ? ; If it goes throgh the clear and needs the base again ,can the base just be done on the panel or panels that you go through or the whole car has to be done ? Thanks
04-28-2013 06:06 PM
69 widetrack 33Willeys77 is correct, start of with either 600 or 800 wet with a hard block...apply no pressure on the block at all, let the paper cut the run. When the runs are knocked out of the clear, graduate up tosay 800 then 1,000 1,500, 2,000 and I prefer to finish my clear with 2,500 grit before polishing. If you sand through the clear coat, it needs be re based, especially if it's a metallic color.

Hope this helps

04-28-2013 05:56 PM
f/bird If I sanded through the clearcoat would it be able to be hit with c/coat again or the paint would need to be done again also ? It might just have to good enough !!
04-28-2013 05:27 PM
33Willys77 Runs are hard to get straight again. If the car was sanded already, you will need to know how much clear was put on to begin with. The best way to get runs out is to hit them first with a coarse grade sandpaper. 600-800 depending on the severity, then work to finer grit. I would be scared to go back at them again since it was sanded already. You may or may not go through the clearcoat, so be prepared to repaint if you do. You will need a hard flat block to get it straight again, but really, 1500 is too fine (in my opinion) to get that surface flat again.
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