Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board - Reply to Topic
Hotrodders.com -- Hot Rod Forum



Register FAQ Search Today's Posts Unanswered Posts Auto Escrow Insurance Auto Loans
Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board > Tech Help> Body - Exterior> "Typical" Hours in a Rebuild?
User Name
Password
lost password?   |   register now

Thread: "Typical" Hours in a Rebuild? Reply to Thread
Title:
  
Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Hot Rod Forum : Hotrodders Bulletin Board forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name (usually not your first and last name), your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Topic Review (Newest First)
07-14-2013 06:48 PM
cyclopsblown34 If you were here or I were there, we'd be teaming up on it and making it what you want. I hope you find a shop to make her right or the ability to do it yourself.
07-13-2013 09:00 AM
tech69 She deserves a good pampering. She had a rough day yesterday.
07-13-2013 06:36 AM
ant_8u Shhhhhh........

She's sleeping




07-12-2013 08:50 AM
tech69 this is true. If they lie about one thing what's to say they don't lie about something else? Honesty is very important in this trade.
07-12-2013 08:46 AM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by ant_8u View Post
Thanks everyone

I'm so confused right now

The guys at the shop are always very friendly and welcoming towards me, and the standard of work they've done is very impressive

I started this thread because I was concerned about how many hours it was taking to get the car done

**I do have to say though, as a complete newbie to professional bodywork, what I 'think' is a long time could in fact be completely acceptable......but I don't have the experience to know if that's the case or not. I didn't want to be 'that customer' so I thought I'd ask you guys and you could set me straight**

So, whilst I don't know, and I'll never really know if they're telling the truth about the hours they've spent on my car, I'm willing to lay my life on the line and say they're definitely lying about my chassis to inflate my bill.....it's still got my welds on it

Bottom line is I'm concerned about what they're telling me, and I know they've already lied to me at least once

I'm going to collect my stuff later today. I'm taking my father and a couple of friends with me. Non of us are big tough-guy bullies, but both my father and I have won (the English version of) The Golden-Gloves so we should be ok

I've told the guys at the shop that I'm broke, and that's why I'm having to take the car. I haven't tried to confront them, so I'm not expecting any trouble
I don't care what they have done on the car, I don't care if they worked for two weeks on one fender and made it flawless with no filler and charged you $1 for the work, if you KNOW that frame is the same one and they are telling you it is a different frame, there is NO WAY I would leave the car there, PERIOD. I couldn't give a guy like that a dollar of my money.

Brian
07-12-2013 07:58 AM
tech69 it's always good to get progress pics or show up once a week to ensure they are in fact working on the car. when I track my time it's never exact just a rough estimate. If I worked on a car for 1.5 hours I might put one hour or two on the sheet. As long as you pay up you won't have any problems. Hope it all works out for you in the end.
07-12-2013 07:12 AM
NEW INTERIORS Good luck..
07-12-2013 06:29 AM
ant_8u Thanks everyone

I'm so confused right now

The guys at the shop are always very friendly and welcoming towards me, and the standard of work they've done is very impressive

I started this thread because I was concerned about how many hours it was taking to get the car done

**I do have to say though, as a complete newbie to professional bodywork, what I 'think' is a long time could in fact be completely acceptable......but I don't have the experience to know if that's the case or not. I didn't want to be 'that customer' so I thought I'd ask you guys and you could set me straight**

So, whilst I don't know, and I'll never really know if they're telling the truth about the hours they've spent on my car, I'm willing to lay my life on the line and say they're definitely lying about my chassis to inflate my bill.....it's still got my welds on it

Bottom line is I'm concerned about what they're telling me, and I know they've already lied to me at least once

I'm going to collect my stuff later today. I'm taking my father and a couple of friends with me. Non of us are big tough-guy bullies, but both my father and I have won (the English version of) The Golden-Gloves so we should be ok

I've told the guys at the shop that I'm broke, and that's why I'm having to take the car. I haven't tried to confront them, so I'm not expecting any trouble
07-12-2013 12:08 AM
tech69 I don't know either how we do this everyday. I ask myself that same question.
07-11-2013 09:25 PM
mr4speed
Quote:
Originally Posted by tech69 View Post
it's very hard to please the customer cause they simply don't know what's involved. Heck, we don't even know what the car was like. It is a small car but there's so many issues when dealing with bodywork that when you're doing old cars there's a lot to deal with. As a body man, I'll tell you straight up, and sorry to offend anyone, but bodywork IS the hardest thing to do in a shop when the quality is good. Everyone seems to think it's just a piece of cake to make everything near perfect but it's not. So when you pick up your car don't just go thanking the painter cause good body men make painters better, but when they buff it out perfect they return the favor. The unsung heros in a shop, the guys doing the dirty work, and the ones always pissing people off over time due to a lack of understanding of what the job entails. I did a 55 Chevy quarter two months ago and the boss thought it was an 8 hour job. Me and the old man just laughed at that one. They knew about some of the stuff I dealt with but they didn't know about the lower rear body panel pushed in, they didn't consider all the contours that had to be cut and welded. Turned out to be more like a 32 hour job but in the end it was worth it.
Tech 69 so right you are. Like I have always said bodywork is very difficult work even at the poorest levels let alone at the highest levels. All the paint does is magnify the bodywork and prep, the more perfect it has to be the longer it will always take $$$. I know a lot of people that try tackleing bodywork on their own cars and they always say the same thing, I don't know how you can do this every day!!
07-11-2013 08:19 PM
tech69 it's very hard to please the customer cause they simply don't know what's involved. Heck, we don't even know what the car was like. It is a small car but there's so many issues when dealing with bodywork that when you're doing old cars there's a lot to deal with. As a body man, I'll tell you straight up, and sorry to offend anyone, but bodywork IS the hardest thing to do in a shop when the quality is good. Everyone seems to think it's just a piece of cake to make everything near perfect but it's not. So when you pick up your car don't just go thanking the painter cause good body men make painters better, but when they buff it out perfect they return the favor. The unsung heros in a shop, the guys doing the dirty work, and the ones always pissing people off over time due to a lack of understanding of what the job entails. I did a 55 Chevy quarter two months ago and the boss thought it was an 8 hour job. Me and the old man just laughed at that one. They knew about some of the stuff I dealt with but they didn't know about the lower rear body panel pushed in, they didn't consider all the contours that had to be cut and welded. Turned out to be more like a 32 hour job but in the end it was worth it.
07-11-2013 07:07 PM
Jallopy
Quote:
Originally Posted by ant_8u View Post
Ok guys, it's update time.......



They told me they'd be happy to go through their time sheets and photos with me if I wanted to pop over and see them this week



So, I went to the shop yesterday and they ran through everything with me

Whilst going through the repair work they mentioned they had to source another chassis, as mine had been badly twisted, and that had obviously increased my bill


Here's the worrying bit........not only is this the first time this had ever been mentioned to me......but when I inspected the new chassis it was very obvious that it was still my original one!!!


Bottom line.....I got screwed
I wonder what else they've made up in order to inflate my bill?!?
Ask to see the receipt for the replaced chassis, and photos of the swap over etc.(as a momento of the rebuild so you can show your grand kids later....)
I doubt you will see them ever.

When you have loaded up every thing ask where your new chassis is as you will need it because the one under the car is your original twisted one.

I do feel sorry for you as it should not have ended this way.
07-11-2013 04:46 PM
69 widetrack The response you gave with respect to how you knew it was your frame reassures me that you are in fact getting ripped off.

Get your vehicle out and as Brian said, bring people with you, to help and to witness...Once you have your vehicle back, the power is now in your hands. Take some time to collect your thoughts on how to proceed and what your next steps will be.

I always hate it when people tell me "if I where you I would.....", so I'm not going to make any suggestions on recourse, I'm sure you can make the right decisions all by yourself.

Wishing you the best.

Ray
07-11-2013 04:13 PM
MARTINSR
Quote:
Originally Posted by ant_8u View Post
Thanks for the support guys

I guess since I'm new to all of this I'm probably a bit too naive for my own good

Having said that, I really didn't expect anyone would try and rip me off like this


I haven't told them I know what they're up to. I just told them it was costing too much and that I couldn't afford to continue with the project at this time

I imagine there'd be a bit of trouble if I confront them - especially when they've still got my car. I need to wait until I get it back before I decide what to do

I guess I should just put it behind me and try not to get too bitter about it. I don't want it to eat away at me and spoil something I love



With regards to how I knew it was my chassis.....
There isn't anything as obvious as tags or numbers, but I stripped the car to its bare components myself

I took absolutely everything off the car myself, so I got familiar with things whilst doing the tear down

Also, before I took my car to the shop I did a little welding on the frame myself
I fitted a front crossmember, and a few captive nuts along the main rails

They were some of my very first welds, and they weren't very pretty, so I remember exactly what they look like

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) there's absolutely no doubt they the body is still fitted to my original chassis

I'm picking all my stuff up tomorrow. Fingers crossed I get everything back safe and sound
I'm really so very paranoid right now
Absolutely! DO NOT confront them now, you are broke, that is the reason you are taking it, you can't pay them another dime, you lost your job, what ever. Once you get it, all the parts and all the paper work home, then make up your mind. They are THIEVES just the same as if they had held you up on the street for goodness sakes, friggin scum. Get a couple of friends to help you get the stuff, even if they aren't big tough guys more eyes seeing what they are doing they will be less likely to play games.

Brian
07-11-2013 04:07 PM
ant_8u Thanks for the support guys

I guess since I'm new to all of this I'm probably a bit too naive for my own good

Having said that, I really didn't expect anyone would try and rip me off like this


I haven't told them I know what they're up to. I just told them it was costing too much and that I couldn't afford to continue with the project at this time

I imagine there'd be a bit of trouble if I confront them - especially when they've still got my car. I need to wait until I get it back before I decide what to do

I guess I should just put it behind me and try not to get too bitter about it. I don't want it to eat away at me and spoil something I love



With regards to how I knew it was my chassis.....
There isn't anything as obvious as tags or numbers, but I stripped the car to its bare components myself

I took absolutely everything off the car myself, so I got familiar with things whilst doing the tear down

Also, before I took my car to the shop I did a little welding on the frame myself
I fitted a front crossmember, and a few captive nuts along the main rails

They were some of my very first welds, and they weren't very pretty, so I remember exactly what they look like

Unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) there's absolutely no doubt they the body is still fitted to my original chassis

I'm picking all my stuff up tomorrow. Fingers crossed I get everything back safe and sound
I'm really so very paranoid right now
This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:24 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
Copyright Hotrodders.com 1999 - 2012. All Rights Reserved.