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02-01-2011 06:04 AM
cobalt327 They certainly weren't drag race pieces, as delivered. That the "normal" intake was the way to go for quarter mile racing was known almost immediately upon the release of the long tube intake. Worked well when they were put into the New Yorker or Imperial.
02-01-2011 05:49 AM
BillyShope
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Originally Posted by sqzbox
Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?
Interesting story behind that manifold. Dyno runs indicated huge increases in peak torque. Driving impressions were very favorable. Engine Design managers were pushing for its release. But, those in Vehicle Performance (where performance is calculated) pointed out that, when it comes to full throttle acceleration, peak torque is meaningless. So, it became a battle in middle management (meaning engineers weren't involved). The Engine Design people had the clout and the manifold was released for production. Vehicle Performance wanted to have a side-by-side comparison at the Proving Grounds, but this was denied. After the release, Vehicle Performance bootlegged a Proving Ground comparison between the long branch ram and the conventional in-line dual quad manifold. In other words, it was a dragrace. The in-line "ran off and hid," as the saying goes. In order to get half-way decent performance from the long branch, racers were forced to cut into them and remove much of the inner dividing wall and then weld them back up. The later short version was far superior.
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02-01-2011 04:45 AM
sqzbox I can't remember myself. I'll have to go back and visit charlie again as I took the pic last summer and he doesn't work on his car's in the winter. Charlie is another hoarder and has an old warehouse full of classic Mopars he won't sell either. Right now he's working on his latest project, a 35 Chrysler.
02-01-2011 04:37 AM
cobalt327
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Originally Posted by sqzbox
Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?
It's been a long time- neigh on 40 years- since I saw one in the driveway.

I'll guess it's shoehorned into an early "A"-body.
02-01-2011 04:28 AM
sqzbox Hey cobalt, When's the last time you seen one of these? Let alone two?
Can you guess what kind of car it's in?
01-31-2011 11:08 PM
BillyShope
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Originally Posted by 69DartGT
I recall I think one of the Ramchargers running C/Gas in a 53 Dodge getting injured when a flywheel or cluth let go. Those were the 180 degree shield days.
Wayne Erickson died of his injuries.
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01-31-2011 10:19 PM
bentwings There were a couple of 'cheese crates' here. I do remember them being trailered after they found that the cars bent the frames from the lightening holes. They also had scissors jacks to support the frames on the trailers.

A friend had a couple of Pontiacs of the vintage but not 'cheese crates'. He had a good connection at the Pontiac headquarters. He still has some of the original rare factory stuff. Says he plans on taking it to the grave with him. In a 100 years thay can dig him up and see if it is still there.
01-31-2011 08:41 PM
69DartGT Bill those were the good old days, I was at the 1960 Nationals at Detroit Dragway, run D/Gas back then, my wife worked the hot dog stand and I had our daughter in a baby buggy walking around the pits, when I made a run my wife would take a break and watch our daughter, I went out 1st or second round & got to enjoy the rest of the Nationals. I recall I think one of the Ramchargers running C/Gas in a 53 Dodge getting injured when a flywheel or cluth let go. Those were the 180 degree shield days.
01-31-2011 07:46 PM
mud.man.rj
muscle car

Aren't they building a Mercury Comet F/X car on Muscle car.
01-31-2011 07:18 PM
BillyShope
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Originally Posted by 69DartGT
Always liked Pontiacs especially the late 50's early 60's 389/421 factory hot rods.
Anybody else old enough to remember Royal Pontiac race cars at Detroit Dragway? Or the factory cars with the cheese grater frames, they hole sawed the frame to lighten them up a little, plus I think some of the body panels were aluminum?
I started dragracing at the Cordova, Illinois strip in '56. That's the home strip of Arnie Beswick, with his Passionate Poncho Pontiac. In '56, however, he was running a Dodge D501 ("stock" with a Chrysler hemi). I happened to visit the strip in the summer of '60 and caught a race between his Pontiac and the Royal Pontiac. Cordova didn't have the Christmas tree yet, so the starter would point first at the Royal Pontiac and then at Arnie, lifting his flag when Arnie left. Don't know if this was something the Royal team agreed to or not. Anyway, it made for some close racing. And, since it was Pontiac against Pontiac, it didn't make a whole lot of difference.
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01-31-2011 07:04 PM
OLNOLAN
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Originally Posted by joestevensphotos
Happens to me all of the time but more so when my kids say, "you never told me to do that" and I reply with well I thought I did. This is too much of an information age. Always new technical gadgets, new things on the computer and I haven't even learned the basic practically. I just try to stay on top of things. All I want to do is archived and scan these neg's & digitize them to my website so that people can go there to browse or buy. It's a lot easier than going to some of these car meets. You can get pretty dirty and they're loiud but fun. All this stuff I get done eventually is going to be donated to the Detroit Automotive Section of the Library when I get old unless by sons want it. But hey now, you guys have a whole new site to go to to check out cool pictures. and you can get a link to one or more of them to add here I beleive but they'll still hava a watermark.
I can't believe you made that man take down the photos. If you can't market your Daddy's photos for a profit, then you need to create a different marketing strategy. Your website would be the last website I would ever think of visiting. Oh, I ain't gonna give you any of my money neither. olnolan
01-31-2011 03:20 PM
1971BB427 Originally the Dodge Dart was a full size Dodge, and was called the "Pioneer Dart". Friend of mine had one back in hi school and I was shocked to see the name on it because it was such a huge car.
01-31-2011 03:15 PM
69DartGT Always liked Pontiacs especially the late 50's early 60's 389/421 factory hot rods.
Anybody else old enough to remember Royal Pontiac race cars at Detroit Dragway? Or the factory cars with the cheese grater frames, they hole sawed the frame to lighten them up a little, plus I think some of the body panels were aluminum?

This is off google hope its okay to post.
01-31-2011 02:56 PM
cobalt327 Sure 'nuff- the Valiant was marketed as a separate marque, alongside Plymouth, Dodge, DeSoto and Imperial, etc. More HERE.
01-31-2011 02:50 PM
poncho62 Dont know about the US, but the Valiant line was not a Plymouth here for a few years.....up to 64-65, I think......and, actually, I think the first year of Barracuda was a Valiant, not a Plymouth......I am sure a MOPAR guy will come and state what was what.
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