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08-13-2004 05:59 PM
SuperFastLX
kandy paint

hey guys whats goin on? i was just wondering what is involved with painting kandy colors... thanks, Paul

hey guys whats goin on? i was just wondering what is involved with painting kandy colors... thanks, Paul

hey guys what is involved with painting kandy paints?
08-03-2004 01:59 PM
foestauf I'm not a paint expert. But my friend runs a auto paint shop. He says when he does candy apple red he will essientally paint the car 3-4 times. Going over with base coats, clear coats and starting to cycle over again.
But damn when he is done you could perform lasic surgery in the reflection.
08-02-2004 12:54 AM
sakowskimotors Hello
Unless I have missed something in the responses (it wouldn't be the first), the main point is missed. "Coats" of paint is too broad. It is like saying a bunch of paint. Coats don't mean anything. What matters is mils (sp.?) of paint. A "normal" coat is about 1 mil which is the thickness of the clear plastic around a pack of cigarettes. A modern urethane base/clear paint job consists usually with three coats of base and three coats of clear. This usually equals around four mils of paint, not six. The base is not usually as thick as the clear. I say "usually" because it all depends on the painter, brand and mixture of paint, paint gun, paint gun settings, air pressure settings, and personal technique, to determine how many mils thick a "coat" of paint is. I might put 3 layers of silver base, mist 3 layers of silver effect pearl, then mist three layers of blue pearl on top of that before I even get to the clear. This is six coats already, but probably only 2.5 mils of paint, someone else might use 2 coats of base that was 3 mils thick.
On how much is too much, assuming you are starting with a freshly stripped and primed piece of metal. Three mils of clear is fine for most jobs. If you are going to wet sand and buff the finish, then 4 mils. You will end up with 3 mils if you take it easy and don't have too much orange peel to start with. I have put 10 mils on for customs, but you MUST follow special procedures.
07-31-2004 09:22 PM
flyfisher You're doing things right for buffing. no need to break through if you can avoid it. What buffing system do you use?
07-31-2004 08:35 PM
mitmaks i like having 5-8 coats of clear coat cause ill wet sand whole car after its finished make it look straightest and smooth paint job. so it all depends on how many coats of what youre putting on, cause primer you can put 8 or whatever and youll end up sanding most of it off anyways till whole car is perfectly straight, base you usually need 3-4 to cover/hide
07-28-2004 09:27 PM
ButtWeldor
Coats of Paint

I live in Australia, and when I was a kiddy of great insight and renown, one of my many idiot brother in laws, to one of my half sisters (hurrah for crazy familes) - well he worked for Arnotts Biscuits as a big knob executive, and he was telling me that the big trucks had about 20 or 25 coats of paint... a primer, base and then a colored, then a clear, and then a colored, then a clear, and then a colored, then a clear etc.

And the trucks had a beautiful deep lusterous coat of paint., that looked really good.

They were works of art actually.....

But the company being run by backward Australians (Good little Vegemite sucking Aussies) - never thought to grow themselves, and they were taken over and the brand is now marketed into other countries around the asia pacific regeion....

But the trucks had really nice paint jobs..
07-28-2004 07:45 PM
31"A"bones
Thick Paint???

I have heard of Rolls Royce, Maserati and Mercedes vehicles having 32 coats or better.
07-28-2004 03:45 PM
2oldster Troy

Sounds like you have some nice cars. I was already in the business long before all but the T were built. If I listed all the cars I've owned and driven the list would be well over 300 including a 200 + mph, street driven 69 SuperBee............. the Bee went when my ex wife spun it out on ice at 90 and backed it into a ditch with my daughter in the car. Traded it off the next day for something a lot tamer.
07-28-2004 03:38 PM
flyfisher I have a booth and paint a few times a year with a few different types of paints.

Laquer can be painted in many layers and is usually buffed or sanded between coats. It's an old style of paint and the paints of today are much more durable and give a better finish with less work in my humble opinion.

Acrylic Enamel or Base Clear are not usually painted in more than two or three coats because the paint will become brittle and crack the thicker it gets. Also, the drying time needed between coats as the layers increase would make a 16 coat paint job about a year long. The reducer needs time to come out of the paint. The top layer usually dries first making it difficult for the chemicals close to the metal to cure and evaporate. I can't tell you how many times I've ruined a paint job just by leaving it out in the sun too soon after painting. The radiant heat causes the reducer trapped under the top layer of clear to try and evaporate. As it does it causes orange peel on the surface of the clear. Or at least so I was told by the tech guys at PPG and DuPont.

I don't paint for a living, but I've never heard of a 32 coat Isocyanite base/clear paint job. The most I've ever painted is three base, two tinted clear, and two clear. Even with flexibilizer the clear cracked two years later on a plastic bumper in the winter. I can't imagine a 16 coat clear hanging let alone surviving.
07-28-2004 01:46 PM
troy-curt And I think he is a little windy.

Troy

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07-28-2004 01:23 PM
cunGunit i was watching some car show on tv yesterday, and some guy said he had "32 coats of paint, 16 base and 16 clear" i was like wtf?
07-27-2004 10:41 PM
troy-curt When shooting base coat, once you get you coverage, normally 3 coats, the depth of color will not change. You get depth with the clear.

Troy

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07-27-2004 10:19 PM
Danny63
How many coats of paint is too much

It depends on the depth of color you want,shootin a Kany is a different story.
07-25-2004 02:01 PM
tresi You need to keep in mind what type of paint is on the car. In the days when lacquer was popular it would not be un heard of for a car to 10 or more base coats and just as many coats of clear. Lacquer would orange peel like crazy and you would wet sand off as much as you left on the car.
With modern paints the base coat is very thin. The base coats plus the clear coat combined is about as thick as a single stage paint job. In my opinion if the factory paint is good shape it's ok put down an epoxy primer or sealer and repaint it. If the car has already been repainted it's best to sand it off before repainting.
07-25-2004 11:31 AM
345coupe Thanks to all. I finally understand my confusion.
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