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02-17-2005 08:53 PM
fouroheight68 Some kids go out and spend all the money they earn on clothes and drugs and alcohol and movie tickets, i spend it on my car. Well the other things too, but not as much :p
02-15-2005 07:10 AM
stepside454 see....who says the economy is so bad ? if 19 yr old kids are building 4K engines Id say thats doin pretty good.
02-14-2005 11:47 PM
fouroheight68 Ok, first off.. that carb is way too damn big. And good luck getting any vacuum with that cam, thats pretty radical dude. also.. 11.4:1 compression? Leave the compression in the 10s.

Second off, its not un believeable that a 19 y/o is building a nice 400+ ci motor. Ive just finished building my 408 ci amc v8, which is alot more costly to build than any gm or ford motor. heres my setup, (similar to the build in carcraft)
401 amc v8 (factory forged rods, crank)
.30 over forged speedpro pistons, 10.2:1
comp 292 cam (244 intake/exhaust @.50, .510 lift, 110 lsa)
comp cams valvetrain
arp rod bolts
air gap intake manifold
51 cc heads, ported

this setup is pretty much identical to my friends, who dynoed at 400 whp, close to 460 ft lbs of torque, ran 11.9's in his amx. Im 19 and built this motor entirely myself, spent about 4 grand all together.
02-14-2005 07:24 PM
HoosierDaddy Everyone I have talked to has told me ARF210's. I paid $1,450 for the canfields I could probably get 800 for them on ebay I highly doubt anywhere near what I paid for them. I think I might just do a piston change.

and I DO LIVE IN BUFFALO, NY!!!! Unfortunately...lol

I dont remember when I put the dirty south. I put goofy stuff in my profiles on alot of forums. I made this name awhile ago and firgured I would try this forum to get some more opinions. Whatever I'm not here to make everyone a believer. If people wana call BS on me they can do that I know I have the motor in my garage and the car in my storage garage thats all that matters. Maybe when I list my Pistons and Nitrous kit for sale on Ebay I'll make a few shoutouts to the nonbelievers on this site I actually tried to with my motor sale but it wouldnt let me add anything with only 2 hours remaining. O well
02-14-2005 08:04 AM
TurboS10 Am I going to be the first to say it makes no damned sense to trash those canfield heads for AFR in a blown application. Those heads will support huge numbers under boost. The AFR has a slight edge, but IMO it is not at all worth the money to switch unless you can get almost all the money out of the canfields. I would not take a loss to gain a couple HP.

As for the block, as mentioned have it checked and splayed caps along with a tall grout if you want it to live at those HP levels. Still might crack, but it will have a better chance.

And, you should pick an ebay auction that matches your location on your profile. I dont think that Buffalo, New York qualifies as "The Dirty South". I realize that you could be changing your location due to cyberspace, but you can imagine how it looks along with your questionable posting. There are alot of people who do just what you did with your post because it is fun to dream. Those of us who work full time at good jobs and have saved for years or paid for years on credit cards to pay off engines like you are talking about building, have a hard time with what you are saying. On the other hand, I have met some young guns on the track that have engines I could not come close to affording.

Chris
02-14-2005 04:18 AM
HoosierDaddy Firestone check PM
02-13-2005 11:13 PM
firestone Regardless of if you build a pump gas motor not, I would recommend an intercooler, cooler air equals more hp. I think the F1R would be a great match for your combo with the AFR 210cc heads. If you ran an air to air intercooler with this setup, 8.5:1 compression and 10-12 lbs of boost, you would be looking at around 800 hp pretty easily especially if you used the comp package heads. Running 8.5:1 and an intercooler would also allow you to run up to around 20 lbs of boost and stay on pump gas if you wanted to. If you wanted to run more boost, up the compression, and run race gas, you would just make that much more hp.

Adam
02-13-2005 04:30 PM
Rick WI There are only a couple of things I'd do different. First of all a 2 bolt block is the best choice to start off with. That is our choice for all hot street, late model and super late motors. What you really want to do is retrofit the block with splayed Oliver steel mains and have the block align bored and honed to size. I would also have the block decked and squared. Prior to all this I'd have it checked for cracks. That's what you'd want to do if you run a stock style block and try to make 600 HP.

As for the cam that is almost exactly what I would use, including the lobe sep. You have to keep it wide (even though 110 is not that wide) so it will idle with that amount of duration and a streetable compresison ratio.

On the intake I would suggest a Victor E, much better plenum volume.

You do not want to run a blower and make 1000 HP with a stock block.

On the dyno I would would expect to see around 525 to 535 HP with your combo.
02-13-2005 04:05 PM
HoosierDaddy lol you guys are too funny. I honestly forgot to mention my pistons. I have my motor on ebay right now. It's probably not going to sell but oh well. I'll find out in 2 hours. Thats why I was looking into adding a blower to it or going 18 degree to it or w/e because this isnt the 1st time I listed it on ebay and I dont think its going to sell unless I am willing to take like 3k or something which I wont do. Here is the link for your viewing pleasure.

http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/w...tem=7952890190

Still I'm not so sure what the big deal with me not worrying all that much about if i break a block or not. I'm not worrying because I dont think its going to break.I barely drive my car and I dont even take it far from home when I do. Its a local cruiser/street/strip car not my daily driver. I live real close to the track also If anything happens to it I'll go home and get the truck and trailer for it. I feel the block will hold up this year, what can I say I have faith. I cant help it if you cant see my pov. Not like I will have this motor in my car forever. So far Ive been putting a new motor in the car every 3rd season. Each one better than the previous.

And I do not have an unlimited budget. You all know my budget. I told it so people didnt go off on crazy combos that I could not afford. If I was able to get 4k for my 400 (which is taking a 2k loss from what I have in it) I would be able to put that $ with what I have and put all that $ towards a nasty bigblock setup which was what I originally wanted to too. But looks like I might be stuck with the 400.

About the $ amounts I cant help it if it I sounds unbelieveable to you or w.e Not like I'm the only 20 something yr old out there who spends all their $ on their car. I choose to save up my $ and put it into my car. I'm not going to defend myself anymore I shouldnt have to. I came here for info on what I can do to my combo, not to troll or lie like you may think.

Me and my friends get it alot. My good friend is only 20 years old and has a cherry 69 SS maro he picked up 2 yrs ago with a wimpy 350 in it for $10,500. He built a pissed off 355, solid roller, canfields, new converter, headers, carb etc the next season which ran him I would guess a good 7k. My other friend has a beautiful 70 Duster he bought for $7,500 with a lousy 318 in it. He dished out about 5k for a 340 and a good penny on new trans and converter the next season he had the car out. He had the 340 setup in the car around age 19. He's my ago now tho. Everynow and then we get some guys at a car show telling us to bring back daddys cars before they found out we snuck them out. I used to get pissed off because it is MY CAR but now I just take it as a compliment.


quick edit for bracketeer.

My car did finish the 1/8th. I ran the 4.56's with a 28x10.5 mickey thompson ET drag. I cut a 1.55 60 foot and went 7.37 @ 93mph. I was expecting to see some high 6's with a better trap but my car needs tweaking I would without a doubt be able to see some 6's on motor if I work on the combo and change come things around with (more converter too) it but as you know I'm looking for better than just high 6's n/a because I'm not too crazy about running the bottle anymore. Not to mention that was the ONLY time I went to the track last year and only made 4 runs that day 2 of which were horrible 2 of which were OK. The 950 carb worked just fine. Yea I may be able to get away with something smaller but I had no issues with running the 950.
02-13-2005 03:59 PM
Old School Nut bracketeer, I agree their are things that don't add up..........
02-13-2005 03:11 PM
bracketeer
no one's bashing him because of his age

No one is age bashing here. I am BS bashing. There are lots of young guys on this board who are legit.

I built my first 302 Ford at 13 yrs old.
I built my first 340 Wedge at 15 yrs old.
I built my first 327 Chev at 17 yrs old.
I built my first 1200 Harley at 18 yrs old.
But not one of them was a $10,000 motor with a $6000 blower.

His posting is full of indiscrepancies. Ktaves1971 agrees. It says "I" then "we". Refers to a mega dollar engine like its free. Flippantly refers to $6 grand. Doesn't care that all this hard work might go up in smoke. He just wants to run it to its limit. All of this from a part time worker. Give me a break.

He has SRP flat top pistons with a Canfield 65 cc head at 11.4 to 1 compression with a 2 bolt main and he wants to fire a blower on board. Give me a break.

While your at it check Holleys website. That motor with 13.1 comp only needs an 800 dbl pumper. Here is a guy who cnc'd a head and and couldn't figure out or find out his carb is too big.

He ran a 4.56 with a short gear. Ran a 4.56 where? Not even on an 1/8th mile would that combo accomplish that.

If it looks like BS.
Smells like BS.
Steams like BS.
It must be....true?
02-13-2005 02:44 PM
Old School Nut
Quote:
Originally posted by Siggy_Freud
You'll have to excuse my friend. He didn't take his polite pills today.

He's not forcing anyone to read or respond to the post. If you dont want to "waste" time on it . . . then stay away. No need to bash on him because of his age. A lot can be accomplished at 19.
I agree Siggy_Freud, their are some really sharp young gearheads around, but their are many that give us young guys a bad rep. it is nice tho when people talk to you like your stupid just because you are young and you can actually reply in an intelligent manner :-). Siggy here has some very informative posts up, and I like to think I have a few, I just wish people could stand back long enough to find out that some young people don't party every night and actually find something constructive to do every night, be it reading manuals/car,airplane,bike magazines/test data and reports, or picking up a wrench or a welder and getting some hands on experience.

-Leo-
02-13-2005 08:49 AM
tm454
some do stretch the truth a bit....so....

Stretching the truth if a BIG NO-NO a people try and catch you if they think your not honest. I'm also building a 406 for street and strip use but don't have the bread to throw on a blower....or even think about it blowing up after I'm done...I plan to run this puppy into the ground and have it carry me home!! No NOS or boost in the future for me.


Tazz


Rat Rods Rule!
02-13-2005 05:06 AM
HoosierDaddy NSX thanks that graph looks awesome makes the motor look like it has so much more potential. The car was built to be a "fast street car with the intent to drag race." I had an engine builder pick the cam..When I tell poeple the cam specs I always hear that something is not so great about it. So it was no suprise you said so. We tried to keep it "streetable" I guess. At this point I'm just going to build the fast setup and forget great streetablilty. here are the flow #'s of the canfields I have on it now.

VALVE LIFT .100 .200 .300 .400 .500 .600 .700
Intake Port 71.7 144.9 206.4 252.4 288.0 301.7 306.1
Exhaust Port* 52.2 104.9 146.2 184.0 203.2 219.2 227.2



To those who think my story sounds fishy Im sorry. I'm just a 21 yr old trying to get a good combo together. I for some reason have faith in the chevy 400 block. If I break the block I'll live and buy another one if needed. I have a truck and bike I drive during nice weather as well so if something happens to the car mechanically I'm not all that screwed. Basically I'm willing to push the limits of a stock block. I know it may not make sense to everyone but that why we are all different. Atleast I put ARP studs in it and good pieces. I had the motor in the car 2 years. I now have 6 grand to spend on it. I have been saving up money from working all spring/summer/fall so its time to put that $ into the car. I live at home I can afford to do things like this now. So in some way shape or form I'm trying to get more HP than what I do now. Be it adding a blower, going bigblock, or whatever..I'm just trying to weigh my options.
02-12-2005 09:45 PM
Ktaves1971 I got the same feeling as you did Bracketeer. Is this guy serious?? Some of the things about this story don't even make sense. Like he acts like hes concerned about price abit but talks flippantly about 6 grand EXTRA. And why would you build a honkin motor like that and NOT be scared about the limits of the block? You better be! You know what can all happen when you start putting 800 - 1100 hp to a stock block???? And someone said he has a street style lobe seperation. Well maybe he wants to drive it to get groceries. Something about this all sounds ....... well, I dont need to say.

Good thing he said.....
"Thoughts? Feel Free to critisize!! "

Just exercising the rights he gave me!
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