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06-09-2005 10:01 AM
kringold So dude, did you get that balancer off? What's up?
06-06-2005 08:01 PM
spyderdude I just wish I went to a high school that had some useful classes, they don't have any "trade type" classes at all. But if you take 2 semesters of english during the summer, you can graduate in 3 years.
06-06-2005 06:19 PM
kringold As far as school goes. Take metal shop. Hopefully they will teach you welding and/or metalshaping. I took one semester in junior high and wish now I had taken it more. They were teaching me welding then but I didn't much care to learn. Now I have to pay to learn it. As far as machining/metalshaping goes, I'm out of luck because it's not taught at any colleges nearby. Man I wish I was 15 again.
06-06-2005 06:13 PM
Tim Feeley
harmonic convergence

Hats off to you Docvette ! I have found that praise goes along way.
Criticism at the wrong time or delivered in a sarcastic manner hurts, alienates,
and accomplishes nothing. Teaching shows mistakes and gives a positive
alternative. I think we tend to react to situations as we have been treated,
it is hard to re-learn, it can sure cause riffs! Good for you SpyderDude,
read and learn but do not stop trying. Remain as I am...still teachable. Tim
06-06-2005 05:49 PM
RCastle Sell yourself to them kid.Show them your desire to work.You may be stocking shelves or playing Gopher for awhile,but what you can learn will help.Nobody walks in for the first time with little knowledge and pulls the big jobs.All shops are reluctant to hire new kids,but explain your desire and do not stop badgering them.Eventually they will give you a shot just to shut you up.Then prove to them you are the real deal.
06-06-2005 05:32 PM
spyderdude My dad is pretty "handy", just not with cars. He has no desire to learn either. I have all of his craftsman sockets and the rest of his tools right now, nothing specifically automotive though.
I really would love to take auto shop or something similar but my high school doesn't have it. It a very small urban public school where no one has any interest. I've looked into taking classes at a community college in the fall. I'd do it this summer but you have to be 16.
I have my dad working on finding me a garage to work at, both of the places I have in mind are very reluctant to hire me.
06-06-2005 05:05 PM
docvette
Oops~

Doc here,

DSTSS.....(Don't Sweat the small stuff).....

In 35 Years, you'll be where I'm at...looking back and saying "Yea, I remember doing that....Once..." Which makes it that much easier to accept when a young, new rodder does it and asks YOU about it in the future!

Point is :

EVERYBODY screws up on a learning curve...From Bush to Superman...(Especially Bush... ) Now you know and in some future time span, you will have someone who will work for you, or come to you with a "Newbie" Problem..

Then you will know both sides of the story..If they are like you were, Honest, and said: "Hey, I'm young, and I've Never done this before, and I think I screwed up..." You'll Remember this time..

In so saying, You will know, that that individual has an honest quest for knowledge, an ability to experiment, an imagination with which to plan..and honest enough to ask for help when he needs it...

You'll be more conducive to help the individual as most of us here have done..than criticize "His ineptness"..

After all, THAT is EXACTLY why this site IS Here!

It is a Community Effort to promote learning and knowledge in Automotive Technology by sharing information from the more experienced to the layman, and promote Good accurate information, and to work on, and drive your Rod in a safe environment.

(So's you can grow olde, like me/us..and chuckle to yourself at newbie mistakes, while "walking down Memory lane" THEN be able to say..No sweat dude...just do this, and it will be all good! )

Were We to say..'Kid your Dumb...you screwed up...go find a future career as a florest.." We'd be defeating the purpose of the Site...and the hobby! (and have to change the site name to : "Care and Feeding of your Rose garden")

Since if everybody had that attitude, there just would be no new generation Hotrodders to Pass the torch onto..Since NOBODY is born with a Snap~on 1/2 inch box wrench in hand...(and if you were , your mom would have slapped ya instead of the doctor!)

Like Spelling (which some of haven't mastered yet! ) Math, History, Business Management, Chemical Engineering...Engine building/Hot rod building must also be learned, and taught by those more experienced.

Very FEW have no aptitude for it at all ... (put a tool in their hands, and they'll hurt themself...) It is just another skill that must be learned and practiced over time...(So don't sell Pop's short on that either)...

You Might try, INVOLVING him in your project..to learn WITH you..I know it has brought my kids, Nephews, nieces, Friends Kids..and their friends Closer to me..and (at least I feel) I adapt well to the younger generation..which keeps me young too, Because I can learn from them also..It's give and take..I value their ideas..and way of thinking as well!

Books and Reading are as Essential as Hands on Learning, So a Good Game plan WHENEVER approaching a Task, Is read about it first, Then visualize in your mind EXACTLY how to do the job, and at least 2 alternate plans in case the first isn't workable..make notes to take to the shop, and then tackle it like any other life problem.

Tools are another Handicap...Good and proper Tools are expensive...as you probably know..and a 15 year old guy isn't gona Have a couple of hundred fazools in his pocket to lay out for a tool when required..or just to build a set.

With that in mind ...Do you mind if I suggest a game plan that will fulfill both at the same time?

Since it's summer, Try to find a job in the local garage, or body shop, Sweeping floors, washing windshields and Vacuuming out interiors (do they still do that anymore?) of serviced cars..Doing Simple oil changes, Hell, even cutting the lawn AROUND the shop in necessary..and If the Employer is reluctant to hire you..tell him you will do it for CREDIT on the Mac Tools or snap on truck every time it comes around..

He'll Know your SERIOUS and want to learn as well as Build your Tools which will be with you for a long time..(like the knowledge You will gain)

When School returns in the Fall, Sign up for (if you can get it) Auto shop! They have most of the tools your little heart desires...and good knowledge (not only from the teachers, but older students) AND maybe retain any part time any job you scored over the summer...on Saturdays or at night for a few hours..

By the time your a Senior..you'll be the kid with the Bit*hin Ride in the school parking lot, that everyone asks "How do you do it"..Have the tools to do it...and just maybe...a Few extra Fazools in your pocket to fuel that rocket!

It's All Good Dude!

Doc
06-06-2005 12:19 PM
455c-10 every thing happens for a reason. ya screwed up but you know for sure you will never do that again. dont let anyone give ya **** about not doing something right the first time. things happen and ya learn. i was putting in a jet fuel starter clutch in one of the jets i work on and wired it backwards. i thought i was gonna be in trouble and all tat good stuff but the older guys were like stuff happens. i just know that ill never do it again. and the jet is worth a little more than a ford 302...
06-06-2005 06:53 AM
kringold My hats off to you Spyderdude. When I was 15, there was now way in hell I would have even have thought of rebuilding an engine. Ya, you're probably gonna make mistakes, but then we all do. You've learned your half of your first lesson. Read the manual and stick to it. The other half of the lesson is to actually get that d**n balancer off. If you have the crank back in, I would go ahead and replace all the mains, and then start back at the beginning. Keep this in mind. The machine shop won't pull that balancer off for free. Also, are you gonna let that thing kick your butt? You're smarter than it is, so you should be able to get it.
06-05-2005 11:52 PM
spyderdude
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Originally Posted by glen242
The same experienced guys who told you to take the bottom end loose before removing the dampner?? You don't need air tools to take a dampner off correctly.

Did you follow any of the steps/advice in you manuals? JFC, the first rebuild I did was in 1959 on the old man's 1955 Chrysler. All I had to go by was a Chiltons (sp) manual, but following it step by step, I never had problems you ar experiencing.

You say you have books - are you reading and following them?

What do you think us old farts did before the internet? We read! New concept to some.
I've READ that it is easier to get harmonic balancers off with an impact wrench. Every thing was going fine until the harmonic balancer didn't come off like the books said it would.
I bet your old man knew how to turn a wrench, mine definitely isn't that type of guy.
You are quite inviting to newbs wanting learn something, I hope you're proud that you are scolding a 15 y/o on the internet.
06-05-2005 11:32 PM
glen242
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Originally Posted by spyderdude
I have a book on rebuilding small block fords and and a general book on rebuiding motors. What I did should have worked providing that the damper would have come off normally or if I had air tools it would have been an issue. Yeah, **** happens, I should have known better.
I can't afford to rebuild a stock motor and then upgrade it later. I want to it once and do it right. I found a couple of experienced guys to help me when I start building the bottom end.
btw, do you have recommendations any stock rebuild forums? I don't think they exist. 99% of kids my age and older do talk pure ****. Do you think its better to try and build a car that does have 400-450 horsepower or be a ricer and act like I do? I understand your concern, but I'm not as dumb as you may think.
I have the puller rigged up right, when I was using a breaker bar and 4 ft long pipe the crank came up at an angle. I was told wrong that I could untorque the main bolts before pulling the harmonic balancer. I should have followed the book.

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What should I do now? The harmonic balancer is on at an angle and the crank ends up about 1/2 inch the above the block. I haven't been able get it straight by hammering the balancer either. I have no idea what to do now. btw this my first time turning a wrench. Any help is much appreciated, John
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Yeah I did exactly that, its on a stand. Its a standard harmonic balancer puller from autozone. I freaked myself out, everything had be going really well. The pistons and rods are out, probably a bad idea.
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The same experienced guys who told you to take the bottom end loose before removing the dampner?? You don't need air tools to take a dampner off correctly.

Did you follow any of the steps/advice in you manuals? JFC, the first rebuild I did was in 1959 on the old man's 1955 Chrysler. All I had to go by was a Chiltons (sp) manual, but following it step by step, I never had problems you ar experiencing.

You say you have books - are you reading and following them?

What do you think us old farts did before the internet? We read! New concept to some.
06-05-2005 10:40 PM
spyderdude I have a book on rebuilding small block fords and and a general book on rebuiding motors. What I did should have worked providing that the damper would have come off normally or if I had air tools it would have been an issue. Yeah, **** happens, I should have known better.
I can't afford to rebuild a stock motor and then upgrade it later. I want to it once and do it right. I found a couple of experienced guys to help me when I start building the bottom end.
btw, do you have recommendations any stock rebuild forums? I don't think they exist. 99% of kids my age and older do talk pure ****. Do you think its better to try and build a car that does have 400-450 horsepower or be a ricer and act like I do? I understand your concern, but I'm not as dumb as you may think.
06-05-2005 10:17 PM
glen242 Spyderdude:

Since you never turned a wrench before, did it ever occur to you to start a stock rebuild, while using the appropriate factory, or after market manual?

Everyone has started small, stock rebuild, but most have manuals to help them. It seems you want to work on something for a HOTROD, damn the consequences due to your inexperience. You bash the S**T out of a dampner, listen to others who probably have never done the work, and then come to the HOTROD forum for advise!!

This is not Rocket Science.

I assume after going to StLouis schools and at the age of 15, you can read. GET SOME MANUALS.

"Its a 92 ford 5.0, no car, just the motor. I found it in the paper and thought it would be a fun summer project. I want to put it in a notchback with a bad motor/no motor. If it ever gets done I want a fun weekend car. I want to build a solid bottom end for a bower in a couple of years. I'm gonna try and get some help with the main and rod bearings. Right now I'm planning on speed pro forged pistons, eagle sir rods and scat 9000 crank and probably iron gt40 heads off a 93-95 cobra, i'm not sure on the cam yet. I might end up selling the motor to my sister's boyfriend, when his blows up, he is gonna be running 12lbs of boost on a 150k mile motor. If I keep it, my goal is to have the motor completely bulit by xmas and a running car at the beginning of next summer"

The way you are going, how in hell are you going to install the above parts correctly?? Do you know what precision measuring devices you will need, how much they cost, and how to use them??

Yes, this is harsh, but if you don't get your head out of your A** and take this stuff seriously, you will be just another teenager, +/- 3 years, bragging on the internet about their 400-450 HP street cars while riding in mom's stock grocery getter.

There are more 400 - 500 HP street legal cars on the internet than anywhere else! Number goes down in a hurry when you ask to see a copy of their dyno run.

I am also off my medication.

Will post chasis dyno #s on the 'vette after I get it together, for better or worse.
06-05-2005 02:56 AM
bracketeer
might make you feel better

Last week I had a guy install a new BB. Couldn't get it to start. He put his plug wires on with the firing order 12345678. Put # 1 wire on the closest dist pin. I guess he figured the motor would figure it out on its own.

Then it wouldn't idle. He didn't plug any vacuum ports and put the carb on finger tight.

Then it started leaking water. He put the temp gage on finger tight but figured it wouldn't leak because he used a whole roll of teflon tape.
06-04-2005 11:01 PM
jimfulco Try this just in case it works. It might save you a timing cover, which is not a cheap piece of tin like the one on a Chevy. I'm assuming the balancer is just wedged cockeyed just from some misdirected force. Find the point on the center section of the balancer that's farthest forward relative to the rest of it. Tap that point (on the center part) lightly toward the rear with a medium-sized hammer. This might knock it loose to a point where you can remove it normally. If it doesn't, I think I'd just let the machine shop deal with it.
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