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09-26-2005 08:52 PM
bigun
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Originally Posted by alittle1
Your right about that! I once had to do some cement work on a bin at the other end of the home quarter. I had a cement mixer with a 1/4 horse electric motor on it. I ended up plugging two wires off the barbed wire fence in to a extension cord and plugged the other end in to the mixer. Talk about line loss! Had to kick the top pulleyof the mixer when we had more than six shovels full of gravel in the hopper.

This was our third alternative. The first one was to mix the concrete, dump it in a wheel barrow, wheel it up a plank into the bed of an old Chevy pickup, drive across the field, down the plank and dump it in the forms. Couple of things didn't work out with that plan. First one was running the wheel barrow up the plank and then stopping it, after going through the back window and putting 1/10 of a yard of concrete into the cab, we decided to put a block of wood as a stop. The next was driving across a field with a barrow of wet concrete a little too fast for the terrain, badger holes are bigger than gopher holes by at least half a wheel. The driver ended up picking concrete out of his ears and it took about 20 pails of water to wash out the cab, some of which the driver was still in the cab.

So as you can see, necessity was the Mother of invention. When your 15 and you have a very active mind, you can think of almost anything. One thing about that 1/4 horse motor, the neighbour said that it didn't seem to want to run right after we brought it back. Had to get it re-wound, I believe. Don't know why, it worked fine for us boys!
Now you gone and done it. LOL
Back when I was in college I made extra cash being the human fork lift. At the time I was 6 foot 3, 235Lb, I had a 58 inch chest, a 35 inch waist 24 biceps, 20 inch neck. I was a gym rat, I spent 2 hrs each morning and 2 each evening in the school weight room. One of the people I worked for was one of the instructors in the refrigeration and heating dept. who had his own company. One of the jobs we did was down town Odessa TX. at a lawyers office in a house they had converted into offices. As I started up into the Attic the guy I was working for told me to watch my head, I said looks like plenty of room he then turned on the light to show me that there were three strands of barb wire on insulators running down the center of the roof. I asked him whats that? That he said is the power for the building any time they need a new drop they just wrap the copper wire around the appropriate strands and drop it down the walls. Seems the house was built back in the 30s!! I asked do they know about this? He said yea but they say its lasted this long why bother it!!! If some body rented a house like that the same lawyers would have sued the owner for negligence
09-26-2005 04:44 PM
alittle1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustangsaly
YUP THIS IS WRONG ^



Everyone is a electrician, and on farm places i've found some krazy things, i guess in the beginning, i dug a lot with a shovel and crawled in attics and under houses, plus grain bins, grain legs, ben dryers, ect. but i gota Love (new) commercial and thats all we do, is big commercial jobs. but still do some residential jobs on the side, butt now i can pick & choose my residential jobs
Your right about that! I once had to do some cement work on a bin at the other end of the home quarter. I had a cement mixer with a 1/4 horse electric motor on it. I ended up plugging two wires off the barbed wire fence in to a extension cord and plugged the other end in to the mixer. Talk about line loss! Had to kick the top pulleyof the mixer when we had more than six shovels full of gravel in the hopper.

This was our third alternative. The first one was to mix the concrete, dump it in a wheel barrow, wheel it up a plank into the bed of an old Chevy pickup, drive across the field, down the plank and dump it in the forms. Couple of things didn't work out with that plan. First one was running the wheel barrow up the plank and then stopping it, after going through the back window and putting 1/10 of a yard of concrete into the cab, we decided to put a block of wood as a stop. The next was driving across a field with a barrow of wet concrete a little too fast for the terrain, badger holes are bigger than gopher holes by at least half a wheel. The driver ended up picking concrete out of his ears and it took about 20 pails of water to wash out the cab, some of which the driver was still in the cab.

So as you can see, necessity was the Mother of invention. When your 15 and you have a very active mind, you can think of almost anything. One thing about that 1/4 horse motor, the neighbour said that it didn't seem to want to run right after we brought it back. Had to get it re-wound, I believe. Don't know why, it worked fine for us boys!
09-26-2005 11:47 AM
Mustangsaly
Quote:
Originally Posted by tattoo3
I guess I would do it wrong. becauseI would just run 3 110v 20 amp circuts with #10/2 right out of my panel box.
YUP THIS IS WRONG ^


here in Nebraska, if you feed another panel from your main service panel, you need 4 wires 2 hots & a Neutral & a Ground and not bond the subpanel. and a separate structure with a sub panel might need a ground rod, but would need to look that up to be sure i think this is nec, but don't feel like looking it up right now don't mater if the building is attached or not. might be some thing in the code book like a subpanel of more than 60amps and a blank amount of feet from main panel, it's considered a subpanel. on a lot of side jobs, i could get buy with cutting the meter seal and pulling the meter if i needed, some power company's here, will just tell you to cut the seal if needed. residential work, new or old were not even inspected in any way here, until 6 or so yrs back. that shed imo needs a 60 breaker in main panel and 4 #6 in conduit run to a unbonded sub panel in shed, but 3 or 4 20amp 12/2 w/ground circus run from main panel (each circuit feed from a single 20amp breaker) to feed the shed receptacle & lights. would work. kinda gota figure distance from panel to receptacle or light too.

Everyone is a electrician, and on farm places i've found some krazy things, i guess in the beginning, i dug a lot with a shovel and crawled in attics and under houses, plus grain bins, grain legs, ben dryers, ect. but i gota Love (new) commercial and thats all we do, is big commercial jobs. but still do some residential jobs on the side, butt now i can pick & choose my residential jobs
09-19-2005 04:54 PM
tattoo3 I guess I would do it wrong. becauseI would just run 3 110v 20 amp circuts with #10/2 right out of my panel box.
09-19-2005 12:42 PM
bigun
Quote:
Originally Posted by web01_99
What I meant was we sometimes have additiond or sheds built on to our garages and rather than get dinnged for having power and heat to them we have our electrician and heating friends set us up down the road after the county or city signs off on it.
Unfortunatly too many people have watched a couple of home shows on TV and now figure thay know everything about electrical or any construction trade!
09-19-2005 12:28 PM
web01_99 What I meant was we sometimes have additiond or sheds built on to our garages and rather than get dinnged for having power and heat to them we have our electrician and heating friends set us up down the road after the county or city signs off on it.
09-19-2005 11:11 AM
bigun
Quote:
Originally Posted by ztoy
"Do like we do in small rural areas. Get permit to build structure and once its passed local or county insspection wire and insulate it later down the road and avoid all the hassle of inspectors. Do not do anything without the help of qualifyed people if you cant do the work on your own."-Web01

Love those side jobs....lol

Actually inspectors are there for your safety, to insure that the work is done according to their requirements. Too many times people 'think' they know 'how to wire it' themselves when they really don't. Thats when life and limb is being risked, and for what? To save a few bucks? Remember, its only YOUR LIFE or the LIVES OF LOVED ONES that might be put at risk when you mess with power and do it unsafely. Electricity is a respecter of no man and kills without remorse. We electricians only ask that inspectors be consistent in their interpretation of the NEC, right guys?

geez, can't believe I am actually defending inspectors....

Either the NEC or local code! For those who think those of us who do this for a living are some what anal about things should see some of the stuff we find when called out on service calls. I once had a call the lady said that when she turned off the shower in her travel trailer she had blue flames running all over her body! Needless to say this was some cause for alarm, when I got there I started checking and found that there was a 110 volts on the neutral!! I traced out the feed and found that the attached power cord had not been long enough so there was a piece of #10/2 w ground I followed it all the way to the main where I found that the guy who hooked it up had connected as a 240 volt not a 110v. These's people worked as part of a paving crew rather than go to a trailer park the owner the place offered to let them set up at his place. How about the one I am working on this week at some time in the past the power pole was broken somebody sistered a railroad tie next to it with some long bolts to hold it in place. New homeowners complained of getting shocked when turning off the shower. I went and checked it out, I dropped one lead of my meter in the drain and touched the other to the faucet 10 volts!!! I started checking when I got out to the power pole I found that the insulation on neutral wire in the disconnect was burned, I then opened up the meter base and found not only was it burned the insulation was falling off. When the pole broke the neutral was pulled almost all the way from the under the lug, also the ground rod had been disconnected.
09-16-2005 12:11 AM
jimfulco http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...88933?v=glance

I figured I knew just about enough about electricity to electrocute myself just fine, so I bought this book. Turns out I was right.
09-15-2005 06:01 AM
ztoy "Do like we do in small rural areas. Get permit to build structure and once its passed local or county insspection wire and insulate it later down the road and avoid all the hassle of inspectors. Do not do anything without the help of qualifyed people if you cant do the work on your own."-Web01

Love those side jobs....lol

Actually inspectors are there for your safety, to insure that the work is done according to their requirements. Too many times people 'think' they know 'how to wire it' themselves when they really don't. Thats when life and limb is being risked, and for what? To save a few bucks? Remember, its only YOUR LIFE or the LIVES OF LOVED ONES that might be put at risk when you mess with power and do it unsafely. Electricity is a respecter of no man and kills without remorse. We electricians only ask that inspectors be consistent in their interpretation of the NEC, right guys?

geez, can't believe I am actually defending inspectors....

09-14-2005 10:02 PM
web01_99
electric wiring help

Do like we do in small rural areas. Get permit to build structure and once its passed local or county insspection wire and insulate it later down the road and avoid all the hassle of inspectors. Do not do anything without the help of qualifyed people if you cant do the work on your own.
09-14-2005 07:31 PM
bigun
Quote:
Originally Posted by ztoy
So the inspectors in your area think they are God like the ones here do. Man I'm not surprised. I ran a service truck in an area not too far from here where we had two utility companies. To top it off 3 townships intersected there and we had 3 different inspectors with 3 totally different views on the code. We also had a state inspector for a 4th area there. Now mind you, this was a town of about 15k people. And to make it even better, neither one of the utility co.'s would connect to a service if you used a meter socket that the other utility co. used. Unreal, so I can appreciate what you are saying there.
Wow I thought I had it bad with city state and county to worry about. NM has a state code along with NEC that we have to deal with. The only place it gets a little weird is Santa Fe the so called "city different" I did one job there passed my final inspection and the customer called another electrician in to check the inspector. I went to the inspector and told him what was going on he told me " Oh we're used to that"!!! All I could do was look at him and say "*** if I did that to any of my inspectors I would be up in front of a board so fast my head would be spinning". he just said "This is Santa Fe"
That is the first and only job I have done there.
09-14-2005 07:22 PM
web01_99
electrical help

Its such a small addition/shop couldnt you just build it now and later on after its done wire it up with the help of an electrician friend?
09-14-2005 05:08 PM
ztoy So the inspectors in your area think they are God like the ones here do. Man I'm not surprised. I ran a service truck in an area not too far from here where we had two utility companies. To top it off 3 townships intersected there and we had 3 different inspectors with 3 totally different views on the code. We also had a state inspector for a 4th area there. Now mind you, this was a town of about 15k people. And to make it even better, neither one of the utility co.'s would connect to a service if you used a meter socket that the other utility co. used. Unreal, so I can appreciate what you are saying there.
09-14-2005 08:17 AM
Huskinhano That's true. I just failed on a service change because I didn't leave the cover of the load center LOOSE! In addition, he failed me because I didn't have a strap with in 6" of the service head and you're allowed 12". The same guy failed my friend in the same town on a service change because the 10 year old alarm system that wasn't any way shape or form related to the job and not even located by the panel didn't have a bushing where the low voltage wires came in! My friend had to fix that.
09-14-2005 08:10 AM
ztoy "A detached structure gets treated just like your house's service, not as a sub panel."-huskinho

Your logic is ok, but I think, before you make a statement like the one above, you might want to consider where this shed is located. Here in Michigan, this would require a sub panel and not a separate service. Been there, done that. Here, anyways.

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