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08-27-2013 08:47 AM
69 widetrack Thanks for the information...the manufacturer of the gun that the person I'm trying to help is suggesting a 1.0 tip...it does make sense for automotive paint as you said, it does like thinner material. I'll keep you informed.

Good choice on getting to a paint store and picking up the best color match paint possible.

Thanks again

Ray
08-27-2013 08:41 AM
Runnin'OnEmpty That's good advice. I'll probably drive the Jeep to
a paint store and have them match up a quart.

The tip size on the Fuji is 1.4 and it's the only one
that came with the gun. It sprays very well. The gun
was pretty much dialed in when it arrived, and I only
did minimal adjustments to get the cigar shaped pattern
before spraying. Paint viscosity is very important with
these turbines, and they seem to like thinner mixes
than other HVLPs. It does a good job with waterborne
paints, since those are naturally thinnner than the
solvent types. There's also viscosity cups available to
measure the mix.
08-26-2013 09:09 AM
69 widetrack There is a problem with having an on line company mix paint to match the color of a vehicle, the problem is that even though you have a paint code, the manufacturer, Dodge, Ford, GM, any import manufacturer has variations of that color. The local jobber has color chips for many of these variations and would have a better chance of matching the color more accurately by you bringing the vehicle to the jobber, then holding the color chips up to your car to see which one matches. Some of these variations are so different it's amazing...and for that reason I wouldn't recommend that an on line purchase be made...you just don't know what your going to get...this also holds true for solvent based colors as well. If you could go to a jobber that sells water born paint and check the variance chips, you would see what I mean and it would help you in the decision making process.

Very interesting with respect to the information you gave on your gun. What size tip are you using? I'm currently in a discussion regarding tip size on a similar gun.

Thanks for your in put.

Ray
08-26-2013 08:33 AM
Runnin'OnEmpty
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Originally Posted by 69 widetrack View Post
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How do you like the turbine, I have a friend that's using one (a turbine) and we are trying to work out a few issues with his......
I love the turbine. It atomizes very fine and gives a
very uniform finish. In very hot weather, tip drying can
be a problem, so I've added an extra length of hose to
help cool the air. If that's not enough, coiling a section
of hose and submerging it in a 5-gal bucket of water
will also help to cool the air. Ice cubes are optional.

I'm willing to experiment with any brand of waterborne.
Just looking for an on-line supplier that can mix a factory
color code in waterborne....
08-24-2013 09:38 PM
69 widetrack What Brand of water born are you planning on using? It is a good idea to get the technical information on the equipment the recommend and if any specific spray techniques are required. I know some companies are very precise on pressure for certain guns.

How do you like the turbine, I have a friend that's using one (a turbine) and we are trying to work out a few issues with his.

If I can help in any way, please let me know, if I can I'll always help, if I can't, I would love to learn.

Ray
08-24-2013 09:29 PM
Runnin'OnEmpty Ray, thanks for the info on waterborne paints.
I have a Fuji turbine system that sprays waterborne
very well. So far I've sprayed AutoAir and some
marine finishes through it with excellent results.

You're right that waterborne is a different animal.
I have a metallic green Jeep with a header panel
that needs attention; anxious to try a metallic
waterborne on it just for fun...
08-24-2013 11:10 AM
69 widetrack Water born products are great...however, in many cases you need a paint gun that will handle the water born base coat. PPG and Nexa for example recommend either a special Devilbus gun or the Iwata W400LV gun. I prefer the Iwata because the Devilbus, although it does an excellent job, uses nylon washers for sealing and would need to be replaced often.

Also, some manufacturer's require different air pressures for exact color match to the color chip (not the car, but to the chip)...again for example, a metallic color in PPG's Envirobase requires that you spray the color coat at 22 pounds with the Iwata, once you have coverage, a control coat to even out the metallic's at 12 pounds is recommended.

Reductions with water base are different as well, when using PPG or Nexa, with a solid color the reduction is 10%, a metallic color requires 20% reduction and the mid coat of a tri coat would be reduced 30% with the "water"/reducer. These steps are a must and each recommended gun requires different air pressures for color match.

So, even if there was a supplier on line...(I'm not sure if there is), equipment issues could arise, depending on the humidity in the air, blowers to dry the base may need to be used and housekeeping is extremely important. Water base is so much thinner than solvent base, any slightest form of dirt or dust will show up. Water born is much more finicky than solvent...there is no hiding any flaws in prep work, flash times are crucial...even more important than solvent base coats and even though water born base coats, as a rule cover better than solvent base coats, the cost is considerably higher.

I hope this information helps.

Ray
08-24-2013 10:40 AM
Runnin'OnEmpty What about waterborne paints? Any online suppliers
for them, that'll mix a color code?

The only ones I can find are for AutoAir.
08-23-2013 06:12 PM
Aces'n'8s Another vote for SPI. Barry, Andy, and James and all the rest of the guys over there are outstanding. They don't have 37,000 colors to chose from, but all their primers, epoxy sealers, and clears are fantastic.

I sprayed some universal clear over DuPont Chromabase back in 2007 and was worried about possible adhesion problems (the whole Chroma line Basemaker proprietary issues etc.). Well, SPI's universal clear laid down like glass and didn't present any problems, even for this hobby painter. It buffs out great too.
08-22-2013 08:06 PM
stroker_SS Just an update they shipped my order shortly after I posted last on here. Thanks for the replies I just wasn't sure if they were giving me a line or if thats how it usually goes.
08-22-2013 06:05 PM
matt167 Yep. I know when I get a mixed color from the color charts from them, it takes them about a week or better to mix it and ship it
08-22-2013 03:41 PM
Lizer They probably aren't pulling it right off the shelf, boxing it up, and giving it to you. They have to mix it up, and that's assuming it's something they actually keep stocked in inventory.
08-22-2013 01:09 PM
stroker_SS I ordered from tcpglobal on Sunday the 18th, and they STILL have not shipped it yet. I called them today and the guy said its typical for paint orders to take a FEW days to process. Why? Have any of you guys had the same experienced? What gives.
08-19-2013 06:12 PM
matt167 I use TCP Global almost exclusively when I need auto paint now. They sell PPG and Restoration shop. I use the Restoration shop. Probably not the best but it sprays nice and looks good...
08-19-2013 04:31 PM
shine could be but this site has been plagued for years by cheap paint and snake oils . every time it is brought up it turns bad. same old crap. " i used 50 dollar paint and it's great " which any professional painter knows is bs. but if those who do this for a living do not speak up then we have no business here. i do not care about the one who used it. he's going to be all butt hurt because of it anyway but there are many more who read these threads that don't know one way or the other. they are the ones we try to help. being on a budget does not mean you have to use cheap relabeled junk on your car. you just need to save a few dollars more.
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