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10-05-2006 04:50 PM
markzepp820
Oh Yeah

KULTULZ,
I already put it back together, sorry. But I did measure the pads to determine 13 inch brakes or 11? inch brakes. The shoes width is 2.5 inches. Basically, alls I know is, this is a 14 bolt full-floating axle with 13 inch brakes, 10.5 ring gear, and 3.73 gears. I love it, very strong and perfect gear ratio for me. Great torque and decent highway rpm's.
10-05-2006 04:45 PM
markzepp820
I got the drum off!!!

I finally got the drum off. I took the axle shaft out, then removed the nut off the hub that requires a special tool. Didn't have that special tool, so I used a screw driver and hammer. Then I removed the locknut, then inner nut, and then she slid right off! Piece of cake, I just wish my manual would have told me this in the brake section. But I have to say, it was very inconvient to remove part of the drivetrain just to get to the brakes. This has got to be one of the things I hate about full-floaters. Anywase, thank you all very much for your input. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
10-05-2006 11:30 AM
KULTULZ
The Photo Shows Everything

OK. You have an Inboard Drum Design. This is unique and the axle has to come out first. On the Outboard Design, the drum will slide over the hub.

Do me a favor when you get it apart. Can you give me the exact brake shoe size (inside drum dia. and width of shoe pad) and the Rear End Asm. Tag Info (if still there)?
10-05-2006 09:25 AM
markzepp820 I got this photo from the internet, but is the same as mine. The piece that the wheel studs go through in front of the drum, is stopping me from getting the drum off.
10-05-2006 09:23 AM
markzepp820
10-05-2006 09:13 AM
markzepp820
re: Help!!! Drum Brakes!

By the way to everyone. This is a SINGLE wheel truck.
10-05-2006 09:10 AM
markzepp820
re: Help!!! Drum Brakes!

KULTULZ, The peice I'm referring to is on the outside of the hub itself. The wheel studs come out of the drum, then through this guide(circle piece). The stud guide peice is keeping my drum from coming off. If this piece was off, then I could easly slide the drum off the hub.
10-05-2006 07:40 AM
KULTULZ

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Originally Posted by markzepp820

Ok, I found the problem to why I can't remove the drum. The drum turns freely and it moves in and out about a 1/2 inch.

The reason it only moves a 1/2 of an inch in and out, is because this damn front piece that the wheel studs go through is keeping the drum from coming off. It almost seems impossible to replace brake shoes on a 3/4 ton pickup. How to you get the drum off, if this circle wheel stud thing is keeping it from coming off? How do you get brake drums off of a 3/4 ton?!!!???!!!!
I'm still trying to figure this description out. I wonder if he is referring to the actual axle and studs?
10-05-2006 04:45 AM
KULTULZ
Quote:
Originally Posted by markzepp820

From what my manual says, I have to remove the axle shafts and a couple of things in the hub itself. Some type of nut requires the use of a special tool. All this to get the damn drum off to replace shoes. I should have bought a 1/2 ton.

The brake drum removal section of the manual says "For all models, the drum can be simply removed by pulling the drum off. Yeah right, for half tons maybe. Then I read on to the drivetrain section. Removal of hub assembly to remove brake drum. Has anyone here ever replaced brake shoes on a full floating axle?
You will need a special socket to remove/replace and adjust the locking nuts (manual should give FORD Tool No.) There will be some type of lock/retainer between the two nuts. Your manual should show how to defeat it. You most likely have 12 x 2 1/2" brakes (SW) or 12 x 3" (DW). They (brake shoes) are not retained or retracted as are car brakes. Hope the manual describes clearly how to go about replacement.
10-04-2006 08:46 PM
markzepp820
re: Help!!! Drum Brakes!

From what my manual says, I have to remove the axle shafts and a couple of things in the hub itself. Some type of nut requires the use of a special tool. All this to get the damn drum off to replace shoes. I should have bought a 1/2 ton. The brake drum removal section of the manual says "For all models, the drum can be simply removed by pulling the drum off. Yeah right, for half tons maybe. Then I read on to the drivetrain section. Removal of hub assembly to remove brake drum. Has anyone here ever replaced brake shoes on a full floating axle?
10-04-2006 06:16 PM
matt167
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Originally Posted by markzepp820
Ok, I found the problem to why I can't remove the drum. The drum turns freely and it moves in and out about a 1/2 inch. The reason it only moves a 1/2 of an inch in and out, is because this damn front piece that the wheel studs go through is keeping the drum from coming off. It almost seems impossible to replace brake shoes on a 3/4 ton pickup. How to you get the drum off, if this circle wheel stud thing is keeping it from coming off? How do you get brake drums off of a 3/4 ton?!!!???!!!!

thanks in advance,
Mark
Are you talking about little clip like things that are square with a round hole? if so there tinnerman nuts, there used to hold drums on cars at the factory when they have no wheels. Ither the person who did the brakes b4 thought they were required or, your truck has never had the drums apart
10-04-2006 06:00 PM
61bone sounds to me like your floating axle is whipping your axle. Take the ring of bolts out of the end of the axle and remove axle. Inside the hole there are two large spanner nuts and a retainer on the spindle. Remove these and slide the drum and carrier assembly off the spindle. Don't drop the outer bearing in the dirt.
10-04-2006 04:31 PM
markzepp820
drum brakes!!!!

Ok, I found the problem to why I can't remove the drum. The drum turns freely and it moves in and out about a 1/2 inch. The reason it only moves a 1/2 of an inch in and out, is because this damn front piece that the wheel studs go through is keeping the drum from coming off. It almost seems impossible to replace brake shoes on a 3/4 ton pickup. How to you get the drum off, if this circle wheel stud thing is keeping it from coming off? How do you get brake drums off of a 3/4 ton?!!!???!!!!

thanks in advance,
Mark
10-04-2006 10:55 AM
VEGA 3503508.5 wd-40 + big hammer?
10-04-2006 10:29 AM
markzepp820
drum brakes

yes, this is a 2wd 3/4 ton pickup with a full floating axle.
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