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02-25-2007 07:28 PM
docvette Doc here,

One of the BEST ways to shut down an "Apprentice Professor", and the easiest by far..is "Show me the FACTS that support your Theroy.."

THEN ask How Do You do that job ? ... What is the Procedure? ....and What Tools Do YOU use?...( it's easy to read TECH STATS off a web site..only HANDS ON Experience will answer that..)

When the facts don't materilize..everyone will get be clued in..

Doc
02-25-2007 07:22 PM
73oldsman It's taken me years to learn to be more tolerant of those around me, and I'm still working on it. Know-it-alls are everywhere. I believe most of them are looking for attention and are just trying to fit in. I try not to comment on their ignorance on something, unless it is a co-worker and will directly affect something we are working on at the time. I try my best not to talk about people behind their back, even in jest, but they sure do make it hard at times.
02-25-2007 07:05 PM
rebelbill1972
re:why-do-they-act-like

CL I understand how you feel. I'm in the last year of my apprenticeship and I see the same thing quite often. Fortunately I'm a little older now but when I was your age I might have done the same things you speak of or worse. The best way I have found to deal with someone like that is to just distance yourself when you can, keep yourself and other friends out of the line of fire when something does finally go wrong, don't end up a casualty of their ignorance. One day he will probably ask you why you don't like him, best answer I have come up with is," If I didn' like you I wouldn't speak to you", and then you walk away and don't speak. They usually get the hint...
Bill
02-25-2007 04:11 PM
Classix_Lover
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Originally Posted by cboy
CL,

You might even consider putting him on your "ignore list"...just like we can do here at HR.Com with posters who are full of themselves. That prevents you from possibly being sucked down to this guy's level of conversation and attitude. Sometimes laughter and ridicule demeans YOU as much as it might demean the target of your barbs. Someone might ask, "Well aren't you just trying to point out your own superiority by making fun of another person or pointing out their flaws."

You've got plenty going for you CL that you would never need to ride on the shoulders of ridicule. So my point here is aimed more at the "general" audience rather than you specifically.

My theory is, I'm less informed than 9 out of 10 rodders in this world. And if I do stumble on that ONE rodder who's less informed than me...why would I want to blow my precious time talking with him/her...much less ridiculing them or pointing out their ignorance.

If a person wants to learn, they should ALWAYS be the dumbest kid in their class...that is, they should ALWAYS be hanging around rodders who are smarter, more experienced, more innovative, and more savy. I know I'm the dumbest in MY class...and I intend to keep it that way.

The interesting thing is, the truly smart, experienced, innovative and savy rodders I know rarely, if ever, feel the need to verbalize their superiority or put down others, even when they are inanely stupid. The really good ones simply go on about their lives, building incredible cars and working wonders with their hands and minds. It speaks volumes over laughter and ridicule.
Eh, I wasn't going to really ridicule him. I was however planning to do something else if he came over to my friends and tried that little stunt of "knowing more" than us. I would make a sarcastic comment to him about synthetic oil not breaking down which would probably make him walk off more than anything else. I don't blatantly ridicule someone, I do make fun of my friends alot but we joke around with each other. Humor is a big part of my life and most of the time I'm just messing around. Better than being a bunch of brain dead people taking everything so seriously. Then we'd wind up being like Mikey on the brownies.
02-25-2007 09:33 AM
75gmck25 The general attitude (young guy knows a lot more than any of the older guys) is not limited to fixing cars. I've worked in the military and on various projects in the computer and telecom industry for nearly 30 years and have picked up degrees and quite a bit of technical knowledge over the years. However, its not unusual for me to run into a young kid in a in computer programming class who does not believe that I would ever be able to understand the complicated things he's learning.

I think some of the young folks attitudes about high tech are even more biased than they are with cars, since they seldom run into a person in his/her 50's who has some experience working with technology. They all think we should be like their Mom and Dad, who usually don't do much more than turn a computer (or car) on and use it.

Bruce
02-25-2007 08:09 AM
78novaman Well said Cboy! I tend to agree, all you have to do is stay out of their path. They will step in it themselves multiple times before they get a clue. I went to electronics school, but there were a few of us that were into cars and were backyard types. Well there was this one kid who thought he knew everything about cars -he drove a 80's celebrity LOL. He said you were supposed to floor a EFI car and make it rev up when you start it. Well he's the only I know that ever blew up an iron duke 2.5L. Then he did the same thing to the 90's cavalier that replaced it. And now he's blown his trans axle out in his Volvo trying to get it unstuck (my guess is he didn't try rocking but just mashed the gas pedal). Maybe one of these days he'll come around, but I just laugh and stay clear of him.
02-25-2007 07:41 AM
cboy
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Originally Posted by Classix_Lover
...whenever I see him, I'm going to make fun of him...
CL,

You might even consider putting him on your "ignore list"...just like we can do here at HR.Com with posters who are full of themselves. That prevents you from possibly being sucked down to this guy's level of conversation and attitude. Sometimes laughter and ridicule demeans YOU as much as it might demean the target of your barbs. Someone might ask, "Well aren't you just trying to point out your own superiority by making fun of another person or pointing out their flaws."

You've got plenty going for you CL that you would never need to ride on the shoulders of ridicule. So my point here is aimed more at the "general" audience rather than you specifically.

My theory is, I'm less informed than 9 out of 10 rodders in this world. And if I do stumble on that ONE rodder who's less informed than me...why would I want to blow my precious time talking with him/her...much less ridiculing them or pointing out their ignorance.

If a person wants to learn, they should ALWAYS be the dumbest kid in their class...that is, they should ALWAYS be hanging around rodders who are smarter, more experienced, more innovative, and more savy. I know I'm the dumbest in MY class...and I intend to keep it that way.

The interesting thing is, the truly smart, experienced, innovative and savy rodders I know rarely, if ever, feel the need to verbalize their superiority or put down others, even when they are inanely stupid. The really good ones simply go on about their lives, building incredible cars and working wonders with their hands and minds. It speaks volumes over laughter and ridicule.
02-25-2007 06:22 AM
poncho62 I have always found that people that are full of crap, most of the time, just have a hard time making friends and are doing that so you will like them......Too bad it generally has the opposite effect.
02-25-2007 04:35 AM
Kevin45 Buy 'em for what they are worth and sell 'em for what they think they are worth. ChaChing!!!
02-25-2007 03:45 AM
Twisted Minis I'm in my first semester at the local JC, taking auto and machining classes. About 70% of the kids in my classes are like the one you describe. They're either disrespectful or don't know *** is going on and think they do. I've already gotten a reputation for knowing a bit more than the average student, and I regret it a little. I eithr get asked a lot of questions, or people are straight up rude for no reason. I don't know exactly why.

The thing that urks me, is the kids that don't do their homework, or interupt the teachers ith retarded high school type comments. You're paying for these classes, why waste it? My uncle teaches the powerflow class I'm taking, so I take that one a bit more personally when people are rude and disrespectful. But I even get upset with that jaskholes on my machining class that goof off. Its one thing to screw around with a wrench, but a lathe could do a whole lot of damage.
02-25-2007 12:49 AM
slvrbllt I always joke about how much smarter my grandfather got from the time I was 18 till I was 25 years old, and he did not even have to learn anything.
02-25-2007 12:46 AM
lowROLLERchevy i love it when my own family tries to impress me with their automotive knowledge

you know who DOESNT try to argue with me about cars ? my father, the only other car person in my immediate family. sure he argues with on some stuff, but its the usual car guy vs car guy stuff

on the other hand, theres my mother, who has yet to grasp the idea that she doesnt know enough about cars to correct me

case in point:

my sister managed to back her truck into a economy car at the gas station. her hitch destroyed the bumper and the tail light panel. the estimate for the economy car was $2000 ... a reasonable amount considering the spare tire was jammed in its well ....

my sister asserted that "the cars bumper was hardly scratched"

my mom was nice enough to tell me "you havent worked at a shop in years, how do you know what the repairs would cost??" then proceeded to argue with me about it for a week

my older brother, even worse, but at least he shuts up as soon as i shoot him down once or twice.
02-25-2007 12:07 AM
327NUT Its not always young guys......I still remember years ago (long before 383 sbc came to be) at an Orange County fair car show, I walked up to a very nice '32 highboy with the hood off and was listening to the owner talk to some guy about his car. He was boasting to the guy that it was a "380" chevy.
I asked who's stroker crank did you use? He looked at me kind of funny then said it did'nt have a stroked crank. The other guy and I both asked him then how did he come to the idea that it was a "380" c.i. He looked at me kind of funny and the said " well cuzz it was bored 30 over". When we both tried to explain to him that a .030 over 350 is a 355 and not a 380 he got pi------ and walked away.
02-24-2007 11:05 PM
Rambo_The_Dog Just tell him this...I've forgotten more than you will ever know about cars...and I still know more!
02-24-2007 10:51 PM
tfeverfred I used to try and talk with people like that. Now, I revel in watching them swim in the bullcrap they spew. It never fails that sooner or later their true lack of knowledge will bite them in the butt. It's much more fun to watch them and less irritating.

My dad used to do that to me and my brother when we did really dumb things to our cars. Like spending good money on yellow ACCEL spark plug wires because we were POSITIVE that they would make our car faster. We learned a lot of good lessons swimming in our crap.
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