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07-12-2007 09:09 PM
bentwings The Olds diesel has left a big black mark on the auto community. Many people had bad experiences with them new and others got them used and had more problems. This has carried over today to todays diesels. The best thing that can happen to them is to be forgotten and written off as a bad idea. Look at the new technology.

The new 07 1/2 and coming 08's are so close in the big 3 that it is only personal preference which to get. They all are very good and will pull any kind of a reasonable load a long way. The mpg is down a bit but there are tuners just around the corner that will fix that.

While I use mine for a daily driver too, you will have to have a good pocket full of change for today's diesel to have it just for a daily driver. Practical as a daily driver?? Well is a 3/4 ton big block Suburban practical as a daily driver?? If you must have comfort, climate control, dead quiet ride, and don't mind 10 mpg or the price tag...they are great. The same goes for other big gassers. If you like a diesel just because...well have at it. They are sometimes fun, annoying, obnoxous, big, take up a lot of room, don't fit in drive thru's or car washes. It's all about what you like and are willing to pay for.

As for the v10's. Not a bad choice for a daily driver if you just need a big truck to get somewhere. They actually will pull a good load too so don't knock them too hard. I ran into a guy that had a brand new Super duty Ford crew cab dually last year at the gas station. I asked him how he liked the new Ford Powerstroke not knowing it was a v10. He said it was a v10 not a diesel. He had got the v10 instead of the diesel for all the reasons listed above. He didn't pull heavy or many times. But he said he just couldn't deal with all the problems the 6.0's have. He said it didn't get the best mpg but he could live with that and could not live with the truck in the shop multiple times.

I guess the bottom line is get what pleases you. We all spent a lot of time driving so it might as well be in something we enjoy driving. Besides the diesel vs gas will always start a good debate. All you have to say is "DIESELS RULE" on a forum like this. guaranteed you will start something. haha
07-12-2007 03:12 PM
ChevyTruckGuy
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Originally Posted by Irelands child
I don't understand why you asked the question in the first place as it seems you had already made up your mind, but I guess that's why we subscribe to these forums!!

I did look at the 6.0 - and for the most part they are big problem engines. Take some time on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts forum then if you see one you like, make sure you have an OASIS report pulled on it before you buy. I found three beauties physically plus several others before I settled on the V10. This is a list of the problems that I saw just on these few that I looked at. Heads, gaskets, head bolts, turbos, down tubes, torque converters, transmissions, many, many fuel injectors just to name the major problems that I saw on these reports. There has to be a reason for the 100K warranty on the '04 -07 6.0 then 200K on the '08 6.4. So far the the '08 6.4 has been pretty good based on a discussion I had at my dealer yesterday. But - not for my kind of driving
Well a few other Eye and the hands on from other people that have them makes a big diffrence. The fact that I'm buying used not new is a factor too. So I have to look at the pros and con based on what I'm hearing and what I have learned. Last diesel I touched was a 84 6.2 so I need to learn. The reason I'm leaning to the diesel is I think fuel price will keep going up and the big blocks will be a thing of the past. I think you going to see v6's small blocks v8's and the diesels. That why I think everyone it dumping there big blocks.
So I'm planing on keep a truck long term I seem to change every five year or so.
Anyone else think Gas is the way to go?

Craig
07-12-2007 02:25 PM
Irelands child
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Originally Posted by bentwings
Well I guess if you look at those parts in terms of hot rod parts I'd say they are in line. 7.3 is yesterdays' diesel. Look at a 6.0 sometime.

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I don't understand why you asked the question in the first place as it seems you had already made up your mind, but I guess that's why we subscribe to these forums!!

I did look at the 6.0 - and for the most part they are big problem engines. Take some time on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts forum then if you see one you like, make sure you have an OASIS report pulled on it before you buy. I found three beauties physically plus several others before I settled on the V10. This is a list of the problems that I saw just on these few that I looked at. Heads, gaskets, head bolts, turbos, down tubes, torque converters, transmissions, many, many fuel injectors just to name the major problems that I saw on these reports. There has to be a reason for the 100K warranty on the '04 -07 6.0 then 200K on the '08 6.4. So far the the '08 6.4 has been pretty good based on a discussion I had at my dealer yesterday. But - not for my kind of driving
07-12-2007 01:52 PM
bentwings Well I guess if you look at those parts in terms of hot rod parts I'd say they are in line. 7.3 is yesterdays' diesel. Look at a 6.0 sometime.

Here is my cost per mile including fuel for my 99 Dodge CTD for 175,000 miles. I do my own maintenance and repair work both car and diesel.

.29 per mile includes fuel at todays prices... Dodge diesel truck 175,000 miles still running strong. better than 1/2 for fuel
VS.
.37 per mile includes fuel at todays prices ...98 Windstar Van. Dead in driveway ready for salvage. Better than 1/2 for repairs.

These include purchase prices too.

I'll be the first to admit that diesels are expensive to fix but if you only fix them once in a great while, the cost per mile is not so great. I fully expect to get 500k out of mine whether towing or cruising. The longer you drive it the better it gets.
07-12-2007 12:16 PM
Irelands child [QUOTE=ChevyTruckGuy]
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Originally Posted by 302 Z28

I was Just going to say that Diesel is right now a lot more earth friendly

Craig
Not really - in New England (and elsewhere in the US) they are starting to do some testing and are finding out that Diesel exhaust from school busses is causing major problems with asthma in school kids:

http://www.awma-nes.org/Documents/Ev...Initiative.ppt

Rebuilding a Diesel - I did several of the early GM 350's that were built between '78 and '85. None were total wipe outs. In 1981 dollars (the last one I did) my cost was $800 just for bearings, rings, gaskets and machining. Mind you, this was a basic 350 Olds gas engine that GM modified to be used as a Diesel, not a specifically designed Diesel. Take a ferinstance and using an '03 7.3 Ford this is the cost of a few parts:

Exhaust valve = 22 ea
Head gasket = 23 ea
Rod bearings = 105 set
Lifter = 12 ea
Long block = 4700
Fuel injector = 186 each !!!
Fuel punp = 266 ea
07-12-2007 11:33 AM
ChevyTruckGuy [QUOTE=302 Z28]
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Originally Posted by bentwings
As a sidenote did you see that MacDonalds is converting it's entire fleet in the UK to bio diesel using their own waste veg oil??

Now all their vehicles will have coronary artery disease, like the people who eat there .

Vince
I was Just going to say that Diesel is right now a lot more earth friendly tell we get are hydrogen fuel pumps. HEHEHE!
I'm leaning to the diesel side but still have not made up my mind! Anyone ever rebuild a diesel for there truck and what did it cost ya?

MacDonalds food! Heck its all foods with the crap they put in them. The only way you safe is if your grow it your self. Then there's testing the water and air. A no win if you want to stay alive HEHEHE!
Your left with a big bag of pill to take just to stay alive to eat and breath the crap we make! Someone's making money on us humans!!


Craig
07-12-2007 08:31 AM
bentwings Haha, That's funny.
07-12-2007 06:12 AM
Irelands child [QUOTE=302 Z28]
Quote:
Originally Posted by bentwings
As a sidenote did you see that MacDonalds is converting it's entire fleet in the UK to bio diesel using their own waste veg oil??

Now all their vehicles will have coronary artery disease, like the people who eat there .

Vince
And the Brits are getting noticeable fatter as well and is getting harder to tell an American from one (except for the garish clothes an American seems to wear when there)
07-12-2007 05:57 AM
302 Z28 [QUOTE=bentwings]As a sidenote did you see that MacDonalds is converting it's entire fleet in the UK to bio diesel using their own waste veg oil??

Now all their vehicles will have coronary artery disease, like the people who eat there .

Vince
07-11-2007 07:56 PM
ChevyTruckGuy
Quote:
Originally Posted by brian0605
Well, another reason our fleet is moving to the gas is also due to the weight of freight and size of boxes we carry has changed. We now have several different companies to choose from under the fed ex brand name. This has allowed our customers greater and more economical shipping options. In our fleet we have some 01' model 2500 savanna vans with 4.3l engines that have 400,000 plus miles that run 200 to 300 miles a day everyday and don't really use any oil and run smooth and quiet. Maintenance maintenance maintenance,engine oil every 5k, trans 75k, brake fluid 2years, rearend oil 2years etc etc etc........Brian
I worked for UPS many moon agoo! late 80's early 90's And everything went diesel Except nextday air stuff, they used mini Van's. Most of the package cars here are gas So Its a tuff thing to decide. I'm also looking at a 4x4 unit to. More for family trips boating exploreing back road. So I don't know about buying a used diesel the cost of breaking down is the thing costly repairs but sure seem's cheeper to run one up front. I had a 84 diesel 4x4 a gutless wonder but man did I get good fuel MPG.

What to do Hmmm!

Craig
07-11-2007 06:36 PM
brian0605 Well, another reason our fleet is moving to the gas is also due to the weight of freight and size of boxes we carry has changed. We now have several different companies to choose from under the fed ex brand name. This has allowed our customers greater and more economical shipping options. In our fleet we have some 01' model 2500 savanna vans with 4.3l engines that have 400,000 plus miles that run 200 to 300 miles a day everyday and don't really use any oil and run smooth and quiet. Maintenance maintenance maintenance,engine oil every 5k, trans 75k, brake fluid 2years, rearend oil 2years etc etc etc........Brian
07-11-2007 03:50 PM
Irelands child [QUOTE=bentwings]Too bad our legislators are so narrow minded. The rest of the world has very significant diesel populations for reasons of economy and durability. Seems like there must be a good lesson to be learned.

As a sidenote did you see that MacDonalds is converting it's entire fleet in the UK to bio diesel using their own waste veg oil??

[QUOTE]

Most new vehicles in the UK ARE Diesel and the fuel is several pence per litre higher then gas. i.e. 90 (USD1.80/litre) so it sounds like MacD is only following suit

I can smell them now - with a french fry exhaust - ahhhhhh

Dave
07-11-2007 02:22 PM
bentwings Too bad our legislators are so narrow minded. The rest of the world has very significant diesel populations for reasons of economy and durability. Seems like there must be a good lesson to be learned.

As a sidenote did you see that MacDonalds is converting it's entire fleet in the UK to bio diesel using their own waste veg oil??

http://www.gnet.org/news/newsdetail....1&NewsID=35376
07-11-2007 11:24 AM
302 Z28 Government and EPA controls on diesel vehicles are only going to get tougher in the very near future. The prices are going to take a jump to make up the costs and diesel fuel will also have a heftier federal tax on it to discourage use. gas is the way to go for the foreseeable future.

Vince
07-11-2007 11:09 AM
Irelands child I just bought an '06 F350 with a V10 gas engine after a LOT of research on the pros and cons of a Diesel. There are several things to consider when you make the jump:

New, a Diesel is about $6800 more, used $3-5000

Fuel mileage - the older ones were better - before pollution controls got so tight. Diesel wins here by 2-3 mpg. Fuel oil vs gasoline where I live is only ten to fifteen cents a gallon difference. You need to drive a LOT of miles to make up that $6800 difference

Maintenance - 15 quarts of oil (Mobil 1 is about $5/qt - and you want that for the extra MPG), an oil filter is $25, a fuel filter is $60 vs 7 qts of oil, $4 oil filter and a $10 fuel filter. Then you have 2ea 900 cold starting amp (very expensive) #27 series batteries.

Stop and go driving will drive you nuts with Diesel engine "rattle" - and it increases the maintenance factor by some amount - my guess is 2X. Most of my driving is local.

Pulling a trailer - how big is it and will it be pulled highway miles a lot - if so, then Diesel may be a good investment.

Trade in value - in 2-3 years it will be pretty good, beyond that, well, they seem to drop like a rock, just like a gas truck.

Engine longevity - the rest of the truck will wear out before either engine but a well maintained Diesel does have an edge.

Pucker value - hands down Diesel.

Dave
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