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07-23-2007 10:07 AM
dckars
oil fill for flathead

I installed an electric fuel pump to be able to use the fuel pump tower location for the oil fill tube purchased from flathead jack. then used an oil cap with breather tube that is hooked into the bottom of air cleaner for vent. it's been fine for 10 years or more.
07-23-2007 08:59 AM
Tech @ BG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
Tech@BG,

I called Speedway and they do not handle the Old School setup and they will not do custom orders.

I was told by one CA speed shop that all BG Six Shooters were special orders, that no one stocks them and they are made to order...is that true?

There must be a way to get one of these.

Harley Monster

Check your PM box.
07-20-2007 07:32 PM
topdogger I can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure on the very back of a SBC block near the dist there is unused area that could be used for a such a thing. Then you wouldn't get splashing oil or anything like that. Don't know if there's an area like this on a ford.

If I was to reroute it all I would want everything at the back kinda like how the transmission dipstick works right at the back. That way its nice and clean at the front.
07-20-2007 04:07 PM
Harley Monster Tech@BG,

I called Speedway and they do not handle the Old School setup and they will not do custom orders.

I was told by one CA speed shop that all BG Six Shooters were special orders, that no one stocks them and they are made to order...is that true?

There must be a way to get one of these.

Harley Monster
07-20-2007 02:52 PM
Tech @ BG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
Thanks again Tech@BG! You have been very helpful.

I live in a rural area and there is no speed shops handy so all my performance buying is from mail order suppliers. I saw a limited number of your products in Speedway's catalog, but they don't specifically list the Old School.

What is the retail price complete for the Old School setup, I certainly don't want to pay over retail.

Harely Monster
Being a manufacture retail sales go through our distributors. The actual retail price is set by them. Speedway should have the Old School versions in their newer catalogs.
07-20-2007 02:44 PM
Harley Monster Thanks again Tech@BG! You have been very helpful.

I live in a rural area and there is no speed shops handy so all my performance buying is from mail order suppliers. I saw a limited number of your products in Speedway's catalog, but they don't specifically list the Old School.

What is the retail price complete for the Old School setup, I certainly don't want to pay over retail.

Harely Monster
07-20-2007 01:28 PM
Tech @ BG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
Thanks Tech@BG!

For clarification, are you saying to have two separate systems; 1) to run the two hoses off the back of the valve covers for the PVC valve using the vacuum source at the rear carb and 2) Use the reservoir for the oil fill.
Harley Monster
1) Yes, you'd want to run two seperate systems. One for your PCV system, and a second for your filler.
2) I'd use two reservoirs one for the PCV (to couple the two hoses together), and a second to use for the filler system.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
Additional questions: 1) Will this PCV arrangement to the rear carb negatively affect the idle mixture distribution? 2) The reservoir mentioned would be for oil fill only then...should still I run THIS line down to the boss above the oil filter as you mentioned before for oil servicing?
Harley Monster
1) It won't affect it any more than it would on any other intake setup.

2) I'd use two cannisters. One for the PCV, and one for you're filler.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
I live in So. Calif., I use Summit a lot to avoid the sales tax and usually get next day delivery. I can not find the Old School on their website catalog, perhaps it is still too new. I have not attempted to call them, I guess I will.
Harley Monster
We no longer sell through Summit Racing. Is there anyone else you deal with on your performance parts?
07-20-2007 01:17 PM
Harley Monster Thanks Tech@BG!

For clarification, are you saying to have two separate systems; 1) to run the two hoses off the back of the valve covers for the PVC valve using the vacuum source at the rear carb and 2) Use the reservoir for the oil fill.

Additional questions: 1) Will this PCV arrangement to the rear carb negatively affect the idle mixture distribution? 2) The reservoir mentioned would be for oil fill only then...should still I run THIS line down to the boss above the oil filter as you mentioned before for oil servicing?

I live in So. Calif., I use Summit a lot to avoid the sales tax and usually get next day delivery. I can not find the Old School on their website catalog, perhaps it is still too new. I have not attempted to call them, I guess I will.

Harley Monster
07-20-2007 12:23 PM
Tech @ BG
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harley Monster
Tech@BG...

Fantastic, you are the guy I need to be talking to! I want to use the BG Six Shooter Old School manifold and carbs on this engine...but would love to have the non-breather valve covers. I am sure this is not the first time this has come up using your manifold and I would like to know your recommended solutions.

Two problems to overcome:

1. Oil fill: You suggest using the plug above the oil filter...I will have to check my block (late model roller cam, 4 bolt), it is at the machinist's shop. I assume this is not an oil pressure port and if used the oil will only drain back into the block.

2. PCV valve/breather: I want to run a PCV valve to keep the crankcase pressures down for better ring seating, potential leaks, etc. Is there a provision on this manifold for a PCV valve? Would the vacuum source be a carb base or somewhere else on the manifold. Are these provisions cast into the manifold or would I have to machine sources? Do the carb bases have vacuum sources? I will not need the vacuum for vacuum advance due to the distributors you recommend, all MSD on your list are mechanical advance.

I was considering using this spare power steering remote reservoir for a combination oil fill/breather. It is a nice looking piece, has a drain in the bottom to normally supply the PS pump, I could weld another fitting near the top below the O-ringed cap to the vacuum source with an inline PCV valve. I could plumb the drain to the boss on the block that you mentioned. What do you think?

If this is feasable, I think it would be a functional solution and allow me to use the old timey, clean, non-vented valve covers such as Cal Customs or early Corvette to complete the "look."

Where are cusomers mounting their coils when using this manifold?

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

ALSO, I am having a problem finding a dealer that has the Old School set up. Any suggestions there? Are these manifolds being shipped now?

THANKS for your help!

Harley Monster
I wouldn't run the fill & PCV off of the same spot. You'll wind up pulling too much oil through your PCV into the engine which will hurt performance, and you'll want to pull the PCV from the top end of the engine. If it were mine I'd run the a hose off of the back of each valve cover (maybe 1/2" to 5/8") over to your resevior from your PS pump. You should be able to cleanly remote mount it at that point, and still give you the blank look on your valve covers.

There is a large vacuum fitting on the rear carburetor that can be used for PCV.

Where are you located, and who do you normally purchase your performance parts from? The Old School systems are being shipped on a regular basis.
07-20-2007 10:27 AM
Harley Monster Tech@BG...

Fantastic, you are the guy I need to be talking to! I want to use the BG Six Shooter Old School manifold and carbs on this engine...but would love to have the non-breather valve covers. I am sure this is not the first time this has come up using your manifold and I would like to know your recommended solutions.

Two problems to overcome:

1. Oil fill: You suggest using the plug above the oil filter...I will have to check my block (late model roller cam, 4 bolt), it is at the machinist's shop. I assume this is not an oil pressure port and if used the oil will only drain back into the block.

2. PCV valve/breather: I want to run a PCV valve to keep the crankcase pressures down for better ring seating, potential leaks, etc. Is there a provision on this manifold for a PCV valve? Would the vacuum source be a carb base or somewhere else on the manifold. Are these provisions cast into the manifold or would I have to machine sources? Do the carb bases have vacuum sources? I will not need the vacuum for vacuum advance due to the distributors you recommend, all MSD on your list are mechanical advance.

I was considering using this spare power steering remote reservoir for a combination oil fill/breather. It is a nice looking piece, has a drain in the bottom to normally supply the PS pump, I could weld another fitting near the top below the O-ringed cap to the vacuum source with an inline PCV valve. I could plumb the drain to the boss on the block that you mentioned. What do you think?

If this is feasable, I think it would be a functional solution and allow me to use the old timey, clean, non-vented valve covers such as Cal Customs or early Corvette to complete the "look."

Where are cusomers mounting their coils when using this manifold?

Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

ALSO, I am having a problem finding a dealer that has the Old School set up. Any suggestions there? Are these manifolds being shipped now?

THANKS for your help!

Harley Monster
07-20-2007 07:00 AM
tinman386 Hey Cliff tate. I can appreciate your simple ways. But this is called hot rodding and correct me if im wrong but isnt hottrodding all about doing what you want wether its a custom or a stock restored. The guy asked a question he is doing with his rod what he wants. I merely made a suggestion. Tech@bg simply explained why it wouldnt work and thats fine i dont know everything heck i probably dont know much of anything. But atleast i am trying to give out ideas instead of criticism.
07-19-2007 10:09 AM
Tech @ BG You wouldn't want to put a breather on the dip stick tube since there will crankcase pressure.

The simplest way to do this would be to run a hose to one of the 3/8" pipe plug above your oil filter to use as a filler hose.

Then you would attach your cannister to the back of your valve covers (this is common on race engines) this is where you'll attach your PCV valve.
07-19-2007 08:41 AM
cliff tate
breather

Quote:
Originally Posted by tinman386
Why not fab a piece of pipe that goes into your dipstick tube? You could connect to that with a large enough piece to accept a breather and just reduce the other end to fit on your dip stick tube. I probably dont know what im talking about but from what i visualize it sounds like it would work. Copper tubing from the hardware store can easily be soldered and there are many different sizes to choose from.
why not leave the car in the front yard and plant flowers in the front and back. arnt we being a little to sanitary, my idea is make it simple drive it have fun, how it looks is secondary
07-19-2007 06:46 AM
tinman386 Why not fab a piece of pipe that goes into your dipstick tube? You could connect to that with a large enough piece to accept a breather and just reduce the other end to fit on your dip stick tube. I probably dont know what im talking about but from what i visualize it sounds like it would work. Copper tubing from the hardware store can easily be soldered and there are many different sizes to choose from.
07-18-2007 08:47 PM
Chevrolet4x4s why not drill a hole high in the side of the oilpan baffle it have a push in breather with pcv valve. then just pull the breather and add oil?
Shane
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