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08-23-2007 08:19 AM
Ripped Quick update on this ppg roll on primer. I found locally that it was stocked, so I was considering it.
I checked with the body shop who will likely paint my car, to get their opinion.

He smiled and said to stay away from it. They tried it for a couple of months at their shop, and had adhesion problems (primer would flake off) and had a number of cars come back with paint which flaked off a year or more into the paint job.

So I am glad I asked, since I am doing a whole car and they only are doing spot repairs
07-31-2007 11:33 PM
39Hemi I'll start with the easy answer first, if you want to change to front disc you will need to replace the master cylinder. Disc brake calipers require more fluid and higher pressure than the drum brake wheel cylinder and the master cylinder is designed differently to acount for this difference. In addition to replacing the master cylinder you will need a different proportioning valve and possibly different residual valves. Master Power Brakes has a good tech secion on their website that will answer a lot of your questions. Power Brakes is a personel choice but on a car as heavy as your wagon I would go with Power Brakes.
What I can't answer is how difficult it will be to add front discs if you want to keep the original spindles. If you want both front disc and rack and pinion then your best bet is to go the Mustang II route. You do not want to try to add a rack and pinion to your stock front end because you will most likely end up with poor handling and an unsafe vehicle. To make a rack work you would need to find one that had pivot points that matched the geometry of your current suspension otherwise you wind up with nasty bump steer. This article does a good job of explaining,

http://crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki...pinion_steering

copy and paste the link in your browser, for some reason I can't make the hyperlink work.
If you go the Mustang II route then the disc brake conversion is easy becaue the Mustang II comes with disc brakes and all you need to do is use one of the many kits to upgrade to 11" rotors. I just finished installing a Mustang II in my 70 Mercedes and it handles great, I used a Fatman Fabrications cross member because Fatman will support a wide variety of weird applications. I had to convert to Mustang II because the stock Mercedes steering box just wouldn't clear the 4.6L modular motor I installed, now my wife has a classic Mercedes with plenty of zoom!
Old station wagons make cool projects, good luck with yours.
The link above didn't work, I think this one will.

http://crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/...inion_steering

Man this is not my day, I thought I was still in the suspension forum.
07-31-2007 08:46 AM
onebadmerc I actually live in Canon City now, I bought a house here last September. I got tired of renting and being told what I could and couldn't do. To tell you the truth, I am still being told by a nosy neighbor what I can and can't do. The neighbors house is at least a good 150-200 ft away, but even being that distance I think he will complain about spraying on primer. The last time I did it he wasn't home and I had no problems from anybody else around me. If I have anymore problems with mr. nosy neighbor, I will just go down and file a auto business with the city. This wouldn't be too big of a hassle since my place is already zoned residential/commercial use.
07-31-2007 06:12 AM
46chevyfleetline Here's a thought you can go with. When buying your primer get a 2:1 VOC instead of a 4:2 . Use a good HVLP gun and you will eliminate alot of overspray.
07-31-2007 05:00 AM
ChevyTruckGuy
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Originally Posted by onebadmerc
Since nobody really replied about using this product, I decided I would be different and give it a try. I went to the parts store and asked them if they had this certain primer. The owner told me since I was the first person to ask for this primer that he would give me a demo quart with the catalyst. The only stipulation is that I have to let him know how it works out. So today I tried it and can say that it gives good coverage, but it does't go on very well. The other problem I had with it was that you cannot roll out the primer into small nooks and crannies. If this was paint, you would defiantly have to color sand it out, unless a person likes the super orange peel effect. I tired it, it worked, and hopefully it sands out nicely. Unless I have to use it again because of a certain neighbor, I will stay with spraying on paints and primers.
I have family out that way and I did a few Jobs at the prison's out there. Lots of land I don't remember the homes being very close to each other. But The Neighbor from Hell sucks too, But heck with Him Life's to short and if your not breaking any laws He's just going to alway complain about something Why give him what he wants. I'm to old for whiners. I would just tell him to keep to him self or you going to be the guy from hell But that's just me old fart no more crap. Second you could turn your shop in to a min paint booth then he's not going to smell anything. Grainger has all the goodies I don't remember if you have one out your way maybe Pueblo or Canyon City


Craig
07-29-2007 09:21 PM
onebadmerc Since nobody really replied about using this product, I decided I would be different and give it a try. I went to the parts store and asked them if they had this certain primer. The owner told me since I was the first person to ask for this primer that he would give me a demo quart with the catalyst. The only stipulation is that I have to let him know how it works out. So today I tried it and can say that it gives good coverage, but it does't go on very well. The other problem I had with it was that you cannot roll out the primer into small nooks and crannies. If this was paint, you would defiantly have to color sand it out, unless a person likes the super orange peel effect. I tired it, it worked, and hopefully it sands out nicely. Unless I have to use it again because of a certain neighbor, I will stay with spraying on paints and primers.
07-28-2007 08:39 AM
wingnut mike
does your neighbor drink beer?

short of kissin up, find a another place to shoot, my booths empty, wanna come up? washington just a hop skip and a jump away. just kidding iwas down in cali a couple of years ago and igot commision to do a an old bsa paint shaker and painting in the hotel bathroom didnt seem all that smart. so i went to every body shop in longbeach, got turned down, then went to house painters. found 3 booths and allot of crazy(house painters are professional huffers) anyways made some new friends and got the job done. so dont stop lookin, ask everybody or spay on a windy night. by the way the prime will still stink when rolled on so keep that in mind.
07-27-2007 08:07 AM
onebadmerc I have everything to spray on the primer except a paint booth....the problem is I have a neighbor who doesn't like me and get pissed off about anything I do. This is a guy who became infuriated with me for cutting down a half dead cedar tree on my property, and it wasn't even by his side of our property line. I really don't like getting paints and primers airborne and drifting everywhere, especially towards my neighbor. I don't need to give this guy a bunch of ammunition for spraying primer. If I can roll on the primer, keep the over-spray and fumes down, it would help keep the peace.
07-26-2007 10:27 PM
wingnut mike
mix it thick

mp 182 is fun stuff, the easiest is to just shoot it on,basic cup gun, gravity or hvlp. mix it with mh165 the can should tell you the exact ratio, its got kindof sandy grey pink color, that when dries, sands nice. rolling it on will be ok in places that you doent care about, but all rollers you buy will leave a tecture, and this primer starts kicken in about 2 hours on a hot day, in the gun, the cup you mix it in, whatever. so spray it, you will get more done consistently and for way less mess. watch for overspay. duh.
07-26-2007 10:26 PM
Kim57 onebadmerc
I have no experience with any of the primers yet but I e-mailed SPI about their epoxy primer as I don't have access to a spray booth. They said it could be rolled on with no problem. Said to use a low nap roller and wait a couple of hours for it to flash between coats. Lots of people on other forums swear by their primer. I don't know anybody thats rolled it on though.
Kim
07-26-2007 05:23 PM
onebadmerc
Has anybody used PPG SX1060 2K brush-able or roll on automotive primer???????

I wrote to PPG today asking them if MP182, 2k primer could be rolled on and they said the only roll on or brush-able primer they have is SX1060. So has anybody used this stuff and if so, how does it work?????

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