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10-09-2007 09:55 AM
Kevin45
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this is too bad and we, as Americans should know better. But if you were born before 1973, there is a better then even chance your house was painted with a lead based paint, you, as a child played with lead soldiers, used lead sinkers on your fishing line,
How many people used to bite down on the lead sinker to either close it or open it? I did many a time with the split shots. Grant you though, I never did eat the paint off of the woodwork. The oak was just too tough to gnaw on
10-09-2007 09:48 AM
Irelands child Lowes and more Chinese crap!!!

I am painting later today so thought I might get a head up for a change and set my pressure at least at a general setting as I had used that line yesterday. A brand new China made quick disconnect fitting failed open. At $2.98 plus tax, it wont hurt me - but the wasted hour to replace it will. And then there is the line at the returns counter and the snotty returns lady.

Take a look the next time you are in Lowes - try to find something NOT made in China - and Home Depot is the same. Good ol' Black and Decker, a standard for the home owner, made in China. Hitachi, a good Japanese tool company(as well as many other things like power turbines), made in China.

I'd buy good USA made Milton fittings - if I could find them somewhere besides an occasional swap meet.

Am I upset?? Yep (again) I don't have any choice, I have to buy that junk. There aren't any other choices .

Now!! I'm going to go paint!!!!

Dave
10-09-2007 08:48 AM
MARTINSR Yeah, remember years ago when you bought certain items from certain countries because there was a REASON. You bought Italian shoes because they were "special" you bought a Japanese car because it was cheap. You bought a Swiss watch because it was thought of as the best in the world. You had a few of these items and you had the American made as well. Now, it is getting so that you don't even have a choice! I went on a buy American kick a few years ago. I would look at the package and if it wasn't made here I wouldn't buy it. Have you ever REALLY tried to do this? It is not easy, not by a long shot! Go buy pencil or pen, just try it. You could go to a store with 16 feet of display, HUNDREDS of pens and pencils and not be able to find a brand made here! Don't even get me started on clothes!
Things have changed big time, "Japanese" cars are made here, "American" cars are made there, what in the hell is "American" anymore?

Even my own friends are pulling this crap. I have a buddy who owns a chrome platting company. He closed it up and moved it to Mexico! How about our hobby, how much of these repro parts are made overseas? I don't know about you but I will work REAL hard to not put an overseas part on my car. I buy NOS, used, what ever, but I will work REAL hard to not us imported stuff.

Brian
10-09-2007 06:00 AM
bluebu I guess I'm just anti-import. Period. I'm not worried about a little lead in a toy. I'm worried about how dependent we've become on other countries for EVERYTHING!

Whether the average person realizes it or not the simple fact is that we are already at the mercy of several foreign powers. OPEC for example could destroy us simply by shutting off the oil taps. Mexico even has leverage over us with the amount of produce that we import from them. China....well, how many things wouldn't we have access to if they decided to pull the plug? We're handing our future to outsiders. It's beyond stupid!

Peg
10-08-2007 06:13 PM
tfeverfred I saw some people, with their children, talking about the lead scare. They seemed very concerned. Smoking cigarettes around their kids, discussing how harmful the lead is. Too funny.

There are so many reports on what is harmful, that it's a wonder we are still alive. Funny how something that was used for many years is all of a sudden poison and deadly.
10-08-2007 02:13 PM
MARTINSR I am Anti-China imports BIG TIME. But that out of the way, I think it is way over blown. Exactly how are your children going to conjest the lead? They would have to eat the stuff to do that.

The same parent who is up in arms about this and took all the recalled Mattel toys away from his child handed that same child a happy meal with frys an hour later.

We worry about too damn much these days. I mean, I am going to do my best. But yesterday when I told my son to go wash his hands after he had handled a lead weight I felt like a fool. When you talk about ODDS, we are talking a TINY, TINY fraction of a chance of harm. My son has a much bigger chance at being hit by a car driving up on the sidewalk as he rides his bike than from that lead.

Brian
10-08-2007 01:35 PM
Irelands child Ya know, this is too bad and we, as Americans should know better. But if you were born before 1973, there is a better then even chance your house was painted with a lead based paint, you, as a child played with lead soldiers, used lead sinkers on your fishing line, lead shot in your guns, painted your cars with paint that had lead, stopped that same car with asbestos based brake linings, had a home heating system with asbestos laden insulation, installed vinyl flooring with asbestos fibers holding it together. Then if you are a bit older, mom dusted her roses with DDT, dad fertilized and devermined his garden with a host of now banned substances. Then of course your refrigerator had R-12 freon as did your automobile, and your gasoline had tetraethyl lead, then later it had MBTE as an oxygenator, etc, etc, etc. Live in Houston, Texas City or Port Arthur for a while. The Love Canal area of Niagara Falls. Or the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana - now there are some contamination problem areas that really need the media attention.

Now, with all that said, and I do agree with Kevin45 that Mattel should never have let this happen - and what I'm trying to say, as a devils advocate, is that we as first, children then adults have been exposed to so many chemicals now designated as contaminants, that the trace amounts of lead found in these toys is negligible, that the network media, AGAIN, is blowing something out of proportion to the actual problem. Yes, we should monitor these imports and yes, these products should be recalled, but unless you ingest a lot more lead then what is on a Thomas the Tank toy or two, there will be no problem.

Dave
10-08-2007 12:12 PM
Kevin45
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Mattel isn't going to eat any more of these expenses than they absolutely have to eat. I've noticed no one is saying where the lead paint originated. Who's making this paint?
I'll have to see if I can still find the article but I am sure I read that Mattel supplied the paint the first go-around.

Kevin
10-08-2007 07:58 AM
dinger
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Originally Posted by Kevin45
The amount of recalls this year alone is ridiculous. I was just reading this morning that SAM's CLUB has a recall on beef because of E.Coli. The meat is coming from Minn. from a place called Cargill, so in the long run it won't affect just SAMS, it will affect some other places also. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21164896...5773?gt1=10514

The other place that recalled the 21.7 million pounds of beef (Topps) is now out of business according to the article. They were talking last week that they had a large class-action lawsuit against them.

On another note....I was doing some interior painting yesterday and I remember when a paintbrush that said "Pure China Bristle" was one of the better brushes you could get.I wonder if that is the case now. LOL!!!
The outbreak was in Minnesota, the tainted beef from New Jersey. The plant was closed and will probably not re-open. Deficiencies in plant processing were found. Why weren't they found earlier?
Lead paint. Dangerous to eat, dangerous to breathe if sanding or painting. I wonder what kind of money Mattels' quality control people are making? Massive re-calls aren't cheap, class action lawsuits aren't either, Q.C. departments are in place for just those reasons. If I have a set of Mattels tainted toys I bought on the internet because I live in Baumfauch, Egypt, too far away from a Toys r Us, who pays shipping for me to get my money back? Mattel isn't going to eat any more of these expenses than they absolutely have to eat. I've noticed no one is saying where the lead paint originated. Who's making this paint? And will they be executed in the near future? Here Kitty, Kitty. It's time to save face, heads are going to roll.....
10-07-2007 08:03 PM
BarryK
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Originally Posted by trees
Having grown up with lead paint, DDT, asbestos, smoke belching smoke stacks and chimneys, ground water, no sewers, and nothing made in China, I wonder how I reached 69 years of age with no known health issues? I am not defending China nor Mattel, but think we are more victims of some serious brain washing about what is good for us and what is bad for us. Want something more to think about? China is the most populated country in the world and are growing by leaps and bounds. They are not fettered with EPA, OSHA, and all the other govt regulated activities that has driven our jobs to them. Yeah, we need some big time changes, but they need to be made here and not in China.

Trees
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You are exactly right, brain washing.
10-07-2007 07:26 AM
trees Having grown up with lead paint, DDT, asbestos, smoke belching smoke stacks and chimneys, ground water, no sewers, and nothing made in China, I wonder how I reached 69 years of age with no known health issues? I am not defending China nor Mattel, but think we are more victims of some serious brain washing about what is good for us and what is bad for us. Want something more to think about? China is the most populated country in the world and are growing by leaps and bounds. They are not fettered with EPA, OSHA, and all the other govt regulated activities that has driven our jobs to them. Yeah, we need some big time changes, but they need to be made here and not in China.

Trees
10-07-2007 04:07 AM
Kevin45 What's bad is that Mattel made the recall, steped up to the plate to take blame, ordered more toys, and they had high levels of lead.

You can't hardly buy anything NOT made in China anymore and I bet if you picked up one of those lead paint test kits that they are now selling, 90% of the products we are getting will have lead in the paint.

The amount of recalls this year alone is ridiculous. I was just reading this morning that SAM's CLUB has a recall on beef because of E.Coli. The meat is coming from Minn. from a place called Cargill, so in the longrun it won't affect just SAMS, it will affect some other places also. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21164896...5773?gt1=10514

The other place that recalled the 21.7 million pounds of beef (Topps) is now out of business according to the article. They were talking last week that they had a large class-action lawsuit against them.

On another note....I was doing some interior painting yesterday and I remember when a paintbrush that said "Pure China Bristle" was one of the better brushes you could get.I wonder if that is the case now. LOL!!!
10-06-2007 10:28 PM
66ImpSS396 My answer for this is simple. Mattel had the toys made where ever to increase profits, and didn't care about the safety of our children. At Christmas none of the toys I get for the kids will come from Mattel, Fisher Price or the other subsidiaries. The government will waste time and end up giving this a white wash job. The full blame belongs to Mattel they contracted the manufacture to China strictly to save money. We all know quality control in some other countries is nearly nonexistent Mattel should have been checking for this. The government should fine the **** out of Mattel, but they won’t. So I will not be buying Mattel products for this year atleast.

My $.02

Barry
09-23-2007 07:58 AM
dinger Mattel made the apology trying to head off price increases the Chinese gov't is thinking of implementing for regulation fees. The Chinese gov't has gotten so much adverse publicity (think of executions here also) that they are planning on regulating much like the FDA, EPA, USDA, etc, in this country. Cost for these programs will be passed onto the buyers, of course. Mattell would like to self regulate, apologizing, making the problems Mattel's fault, head it off before the Chines Gov't does their thing. It's all about money...
The same article had a piece about the Oriental Trading Co (a mailorder busness, cheap crap) having up to 60% lead in their jewelry. You get what you pay for...
09-23-2007 07:14 AM
1ownerT Just imagine if the dog food contamination was in a human consumable. Last I had seen something like 40,000 dead animals.
Lead is not toxic to adults, it affects the developing brain, something adults are well past.
Walmart sucks because they are leading the push to manufacture in China. Walmart is joint owner of several factories in China.
As long as our politicians can take contributions from corporations, the best interest of this country will be ignored.
We are heading down a path that we have never been down before, we are becoming so dependent on China that they will have us by the gonads.
I do not believe that China has any intentions of ever invading the U.S. but I believe that they are going to become THE major player in world affairs.
China is a country of 2.5 Billion, they will have the ability to amass troops anywhere anytime.
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