|01-12-2003 08:07 AM|
|PrimeMover||Weimer - If you've got an automatic in your hotrod that "kinda eases into the next gear" I'd be for taking it to the tranny shop - something is dreadfully wrong..|
|01-12-2003 08:02 AM|
|dmorris1200||First off who's the one that got defensive and called someone an "arshole"?? Not me. If you actually read through all the posts I agreed with you in my first post about being stuck in trafic. I then disagreed with your next statement as have others that have posted since you made it. Maybe I shouldn't have said you can't drive but at least I didn't call you an obscenity. You opened up that door.|
|01-12-2003 07:55 AM|
[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Weimer ]</p>
|01-12-2003 07:51 AM|
Benji - sounds like you got lucky and ran up against somebody that couldn't power shift a four speed.
There is so muck trick automatic stuff out there these days, it's no wonder there are so many of them winding up in street and race machines. Depending on the car and driver, even though automatics burn more horsepower, they seem to be a better deal down the stretch for some... They still can't compete however, with a good old close-ratio four speed and somebody who knows how to shift one. Once a good gear jammer finds the power band, it's a lot easier to keep a four speed car right in the 'sweet spot.' (Sox and Martin come to my mind)
Of the line, I don't know of any car/driver that has ever been able transfer all available torque and HP to the ground. Radical stall converters and bullet proof slush boxes will get the hole shot on a four speed car, any day of the week now. The two speed Powerglide race cars seem to win a lot only shifting once. These days transmission choice boils down to a simple matter of preference. If I owned a tri-five Chevy or 66-69 Chevelle, GTO, 442 or Roadrunner or something like that, it would be a four speed car. If I had a 20's 30's 40's or early 50's streetrod or custom, it would be a highly modifyed automatic with an apropriate converter.
|01-12-2003 07:11 AM|
|dmorris1200||Very well said Jackyl.|
|01-12-2003 07:09 AM|
Actually moron, you are the one that gave a general statement that manuals tach out too much. I stated that you shift them whenever you want 3,000 or 7,000rpm doesn't matter. Did I ever mention shifting my Vega at any rpm? No I don't think so. I don't care if you like auto's ot not, I just replied to what I considered to be a stupid statement made by you...
[quote]you are not going to wind out a stock automatic like you are in a manual <hr></blockquote>
I can wind the snot out of an engine with an auto trans or a manual trans. It's the driver that controls that.
|01-12-2003 07:05 AM|
I am having a hard time with Benji's write-up, I have to agree that the guy did not know how to drive a stick shift. I owned 2 Camaro's one with a Muncie and the other with a 5 speed. Neither had any problems taking automatics, I would actually say in 1/4 mile if I was ever beat by an Automatic I would be shocked.
But back to the topic, the older car transmissions, mainly column shifters, are horrible for shifting. They are prone to have the linkage get stuck while shifting and sometimes not allow you to shift at all. If your going for a cruiser/Street Rod, you are not racing so why do you need to worry about shifting then? Stick with an Automatic, if plan on street racing/Sleeper then I would always go stick.
Just my two cents. That and two dollars may buy me a cup of coffee.
|01-12-2003 06:38 AM|
So everytime you get into your Vega (with a V8 correct?) you shift at around 3000rpm just like an automatic would? Or do you let it wind out to about 5000 - 5500 rpm to shift.
I am sure you just drive this car like you have a hot cup of coffee between your legs...And as a matter of fact, I took my driver's test in a 5spd car...only had to take it once, passed the first time.
[quote]In over twenty years of driving manual transmissions I have never had these problems. My Vega ran consistant 13 flat quarters with average reaction times between .575 and .640 working a clutch. <hr></blockquote>
Well aren't you just Mr. ****ing Special....
I find it hard to believe that you've never missed a gear,or rolled back at a light in over 20 years of driving. Nobody said that it was hard to drive a manual car...I believe he asked for an opinion, and the last time I checked, opinions are just like you Morris, Arsholes...
[ January 12, 2003: Message edited by: Weimer ]</p>
|01-12-2003 06:17 AM|
[quote]Well first of all, you are not going to wind out a stock automatic like you are in a manual <hr></blockquote>
First of all that makes no sense. You only tach out as high as you allow the engine too. If you shift the car at 4,000rpm how is that taching out? After reading everything you have written on this topic (missing gears, grinding, rolling back) I think you just don't know how to drive a stick. In over twenty years of driving manual transmissions I have never had these problems. My Vega ran consistant 13 flat quarters with average reaction times between .575 and .640 working a clutch.
|01-11-2003 06:24 PM|
Well first of all, you are not going to wind out a stock automatic like you are in a manual and second the shifts are way smoother...kinda eases into the next gear.
|01-11-2003 02:08 PM|
Umm don't see how an automatic makes a car run cleaner when it drains a bit of power... Please explain
About the race with the guy... HE MUST HAVE REALLY SUCKED AT SHIFTING...
Drive with me or neil and you will see it takes no time to shift... hell I am almost able to shift without the clutch going just about full tilt...
|01-11-2003 12:19 PM|
|mustang66maniac||Cars in the late 70s to mid 80s mostly came with automatics because they actually run cleaner than the same car with a manual transmission. Those damn smog laws were making life difficult for everybody.|
|01-11-2003 06:59 AM|
I still remember the first time I got into a street race back in the early '70's. I had a black '70 'Cuda 340 automatic with a Lunati cam, Isky lifters and racing springs, a 780 Holley double pumper with a Tarantula manifold, Hooker headers, and a 3:91 posi rear end. The other guy a Mercury Cyclone 351 with a 4 speed. We agreed to a rolling 10 MPH start to eliminate wheel spin. When the guy dropped his arm, both of us stomped the pedal to the metal. I yanked my Slapstick into first and lurched about 1/2 a car length. He side stepped the clutch and his car lurched about one full car length which put my front bumper beside his right 1/4 panel! But wait, EVERY time he shifted I gained about 10 feet. He shifted three times, I gained 30 feet. I beat him in the 1/4 mile by about 20 feet or so. That was the first time I ever realized that when you push the clutch in to shift YOU ARE COASTING!!!
|01-11-2003 06:23 AM|
I was teaching my G/f to drive a stick two years ago. It was here first time out on the road and the FIRST stop sign we come to is on a slight incline. I figure we will be ok as long as nobody is behind us. What happens next, a brand new SUV pulls about six inches off her rear bumper. Understandably she was a bit nervous. I really did not want to get out and ask the person behind us to back up. I wound up pulling the parking break, luckily it was between us. I waited until I felt the car pull against it and then released it. I only had to do this twice total, she picked it up fast. The first day she learned to drive a stick she drove a half an hour away to work by her self.
|01-11-2003 05:34 AM|
I had a M22 4-speed in my 350ci Vega.
It had a M22 that never missed a beat with a 3,200lb. pressure plate. As weimer stated, yes she was no charmer when stuck in trafic but man she was an absolute blast to drive. I used to take off and keep that car sideways all the way to fourth gear. I have always loved muscle cars with clutches and always will, that is not the same thing as a '96 Escort with a 5-speed manual trans. I'll take a little stop and go agravation anyday for the thrill of putting that gas pedal to the floor and letting go of that clutch.
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