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07-14-2008 06:56 PM
cool rockin daddy Again, the knowledge base. A fantastic article on why manifold vacuum is better than ported vacuum for most street driven engines. Do you know how to look something up in the knowledge base?
07-14-2008 05:06 PM
blndweasel Oh my goodness... this started out as your standard run-of-the-mill basic timing troubleshooting... then UGH... all of this "old timers" versus "noobs" nonsense.

There always have been and always will be cranky people on this forum. That won't change.

And there will always be a search feature, a knowledge base, etc, but that doesn't mean people will use it wisely.

It's not about how old you are, or how much you know, it's about a passion for cars, engines, etc. etc.

Chill out everybody.

That's all, end of my rant.

On another note, good luck with your timing issue! get yourself a TDC checker tool (vented) and a cam degreeing wheel. Mark your balancer properly (mark the inner and outer rings so that you can check for slippage down the road). Time the engine for 36-38 degrees full advance, and go drive it. After you're done at the exhaust shop, then follow up and re-check the timing.

peace.

the blonde weasel
07-14-2008 09:36 AM
carsavvycook
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Originally Posted by scapegoat
Seriously? I swore it was for timed. Will it make it more "crisp" in the pedal at cruising speeds?
Yes

When you "give it more throttle" the vacuum advance will drop off. This helps to keep it from pinging, and in return, lowers the "heat" in the engine.
07-14-2008 09:29 AM
scapegoat
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Originally Posted by carsavvycook
You should use full manifold vacuum for your advance. This will give you better fuel mileage, and performance.
Seriously? I swore it was for timed. Will it make it more "crisp" in the pedal at cruising speeds?
07-14-2008 09:26 AM
carsavvycook
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Originally Posted by scapegoat
I don't want full vacuum for my vacuum advanced. I want timed don't I?
You should use full manifold vacuum for your advance. This will give you better fuel mileage, and performance.
07-14-2008 09:24 AM
scapegoat I don't want full vacuum for my vacuum advanced. I want timed don't I? It would probably run better with it hooked up either way it think.
07-14-2008 09:21 AM
scapegoat I said I didnt have a "timed" vacuum originally. I never said anything about not having vacuum ports. Of corse I have vacuum ports.
07-14-2008 09:20 AM
Frisco
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Originally Posted by scapegoat
I did not say that I didn't have vacuum ports. You are putting words in my mouth. I said I didnt have a timed vacuum port. Where are you guys getting all this stuff I never posted?
See my answer at post #27 or my revised comment above.
07-14-2008 09:07 AM
scapegoat I did not say that I didn't have vacuum ports. You are putting words in my mouth. I said I didnt have a timed vacuum port. Where are you guys getting all this stuff I never posted?
07-14-2008 08:50 AM
Frisco
Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat
I know my carb has vacuum ports, I just said that they are full manifold vacuum not timed. And the picture of the baseplate you posted is not totally like mine. Mine has the two in the front and one big one in the back. I know the one in the back is full vacuum and at least one of the two in the front is full as well. I havent checked the second one in the front yet for full or timed vacuum.
One of the smaller ports in the front is the "timed" vacuum port.

Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat
Im just waiting on a new balancer. Should be here in two days.
You probably do not need this item based on what you've posted.


Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat
I was driving the truck around for about a week before the balancer issue. It ran okay and had a ton of power. It would annihilate the tires at 30mph and continue spinning all th way through drive. But at that point it was not timed with a light. I just set it until it sounded and performed okay. It got a little hot though. Thats why I was thinking I should time it. Incase its running hot because of it being out of time.
If you drove it for about a week before it got a "little" hot; the timing probably was not the reason the engine got hot.


Quote:
Originally Posted by scapegoat
I just want this thing timed so I can drive it to the exhaust shop to get some pipes hooked up. I will be driving open headers.
Your original question concerning the timing was answered several times, by different folks.

Your second (sort of) question about whether or not you had a timed vacuum port on your carb was answered and you eventually stated that indeed you did have three on your carb (this was after you stated that your carb did not have a vacuum port).

Your third question concerning the harmonic balancer was also answered several times, by different folks.

Now it seems like you want to have a pissin' contest with some of the folks that attempted to assist you.

Did you ever drive it to the exhaust shop to get your pipes hooked up?

Did you ever set your timing correctly?

I think this thread is ready to be either CLOSED or sent to the DUMP.

What ever happened to the link to "REPORT THIS THREAD"???

I know where the "REPORT BAD POST" link is.
07-14-2008 08:30 AM
wretched ratchet
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Originally Posted by cool rockin daddy
Amazing. Malc gives you excellent advice and a great article. You then flame him for questioning your dedidcation and your level of knowledge about YOUR OWN parts when you admit you didn't even read the instructions for your parts! Then you come up with the tired "this is an open forum and I am just trying to learn" B.S.!!! Now in your infinite wisdom you inform us all that you can't time your engine due to mismatched balancer and timing tab! Guess your original post wasn't needed, was it? Fix your mismatched parts, read the article that was suggested, and time your engine. Simple, no?

Another example of the new age rodder. Asks questions, doesn't understand the answers even though he says he is reading up on the subject, gets mad at somebody kind enough to post a reply, then diagnoses the problem himself by doing what he should have done in the first place; GETTING HIS HEAD UNDER THE HOOD OF HIS VEHICLE AND INVESTIGATING! That's the definition of hot rodding in my opinion. Far too many people are moving away from that I fear.
^^^^^^^
WHAT HE SAID ! ! ! ! !
07-14-2008 08:05 AM
scapegoat
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Originally Posted by ScoTFrenzel
Guys, Guys, Guys,
What the hell is going on here?

I just went back and scan read most all the posts.

What is the big deal if someone doesn't understand something or doesn't know how his carb works.
Why do some people get so damn upset about it?

Why do people read something obnoxious into some post's verbage?

Aren't we HERE to help people learn and help people fix their problems?

What the hell is happening to this site?
Well said.
I guess im stupid for asking questions about timing a sbc. Even though I personaly built 100% of my project. Alot of people can't say that!
07-14-2008 07:11 AM
scapegoat
Quote:
Originally Posted by malc
For me it started at this post, you stated your carb hasīnt got vacuum ports when it damn well has, this you ignored as well and went back to the balancer.


First of all check the stuff you have then if itīs wrong replace it.
There is more than enough info in this thread to do what you have to do.
Find top dead center and make a pointer out of an old coat hanger if you have to to get started.
Your next post should be thank you guys I got īer dun.
But seriously, that was the post that pissed you off? What did I say wrong?
07-14-2008 07:07 AM
scapegoat
Quote:
Originally Posted by malc
For me it started at this post, you stated your carb hasīnt got vacuum ports when it damn well has, this you ignored as well and went back to the balancer.


First of all check the stuff you have then if itīs wrong replace it.
There is more than enough info in this thread to do what you have to do.
Find top dead center and make a pointer out of an old coat hanger if you have to to get started.
Your next post should be thank you guys I got īer dun.
I know my carb has vacuum ports, I just said that they are full manifold vacuum not timed. And the picture of the baseplate you posted is not totally like mine. Mine has the two in the front and one big one in the back. I know the one in the back is full vacuum and at least one of the two in the front is full as well. I havent checked the second one in the front yet for full or timed vacuum.

Im just waiting on a new balancer. Should be here in two days.

I was driving the truck around for about a week before the balancer issue. It ran okay and had a ton of power. It would annihilate the tires at 30mph and continue spinning all th way through drive. But at that point it was not timed with a light. I just set it until it sounded and performed okay. It got a little hot though. Thats why I was thinking I should time it. Incase its running hot because of it being out of time.
07-13-2008 06:09 PM
ScoTFrenzel Guys, Guys, Guys,
What the hell is going on here?

I just went back and scan read most all the posts.

What is the big deal if someone doesn't understand something or doesn't know how his carb works.
Why do some people get so damn upset about it?

Why do people read something obnoxious into some post's verbage?

Aren't we HERE to help people learn and help people fix their problems?

What the hell is happening to this site?
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