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Old 01-19-2004, 05:21 PM
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Nigerian scammers

Do you think this is from our Nigerian scam friends or a real response to my ad to sell my son's '36 Pontiac? Postive is that he didn't want my credit card # immediately and wants to negotiate price. Negative is that he responded to my ad within an hour of posting it.

"Hello,
I am Bibi Koilx from 6205 BE Maastricht tHE Netherlands.
I deal in buying of new and used autos for my clients in ASIA and
EUROPE as an agent and get paid by commission.
One of my clients is interested in buying your above mentioned
vehicle in which you are asking $10,000
He said he will like to your last price.
He will arrange for the shipping as soon as payment is made.
So i will want you to tell me if is still available for sale.
Thanks.................. "



I do have experience selling a car to an over-seas broker. Sold my wife's '56 BelAir Sport 4-dr Hard Top that way but the guy came up from LA and gave me cash, $100bills! He sent the car to Amsterdam.
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He might be ligit. However, I wouldn't sign anything over to him till the cash was in the bank and no way would I give him my bank account number. Just tell him to send a cashiers check.

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Old 01-19-2004, 05:38 PM
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He might be ligit. However, I wouldn't sign anything over to him till the cash was in the bank and no way would I give him my bank account number. Just tell him to send a cashiers check.

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Trust me, the money will be in my little hot hands and half spent before I even consider sending the car!!
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Old 01-19-2004, 06:02 PM
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Its a scam, being investigated by The FBI as well as other agencies worldwide.

A friend was selling his 41 Ford & another was selling her motorcycle, one lives in SoCal, the other in the UK...

BOTH received the same e-mail as above....

There was a warning about it on the Official FBI site.

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Old 01-19-2004, 06:38 PM
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I think 4 Jaw brought this up before. If it's a scam, they'll send you a check for more than $10,000 and ask you to refund the remainder. The original check is sometimes accepted by the bank and then later it's discovered to be bogus. You're then stuck owing the bank and you're minus the car.
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Yea,twice people close to me have had this happen,once on a Harley,once on a horse,both without so much as a photo they gave an offer and a money order. The one guy I guess ,with a thick accent,said he needed the money soon as his mother unexpectedly took ill. they don't want your stuff,just the difference in money.
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thats the same email I got, hell I told him if he wanted everything i was selling to show up w/cash or use Western Union to get it to me, ya never know who may want your stuff BUT always be sure to cover your ***** first, because 9x out of 10 it's a scam.........joe
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Old 01-19-2004, 09:24 PM
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A guy from the PY boards just went through this, it's a scam. They offered him three times what he was asking for his car. If you want some fun reading, go to www.reversescam.com read the letters he wrote to some of those scammers!
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Old 01-20-2004, 07:35 AM
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Here is the hook and my reply.

Nice try! The day I send you $5,000 is the day the earth stands still!! Are you really in Europe or are you running this scam from Nigeria like most of them?

Original Message:
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From: bibi koilx bibiautos@doramail.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:33:19 +0800
To: willys36@.com
Subject: 1936 Pontiac 4-dr sedan/thanks for the pics/payment method..........


Hello,
Thanks for your responce,my client said i should inform you that
payment will be made to you by means cashers check in the amount
$15,000 which is a refund payment from previous cancelled transaction he made with a company but,didn't go through due to delay of shippment of goods he ordered.
What you are required to do is that, immediately you receive the
check you will send the excess money of $5,000 to his shippers who will arrange for the pickup on receiveing the payment.
If this accepatable by you,i will want you to send your NAME,FULL
ADDRESS and PHONE# so that i can give it to my client to give to his associate who will make out the check to you in time.
Regards..............
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Suggest he send the check to the shippers who can show up at your house with cash...
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Been there done that, and DIDN"T get screwed.
DO NOT send your name address or phone number, when they call you it will be through a teletype service run by one of our phone companies here in the states, and the operator will just be relaying a message they get from the computer terminal.
In the e-mails this "buyer" sends to you, open them then click on properties, then view the message source, it will contain IP addresses.
Copy and paste them IP address numbers in this site:
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When this site comes up it will show you YOUR IP address statistics.
Enter the e-mail IP's one by one on this site and view the sources, I am willing to bet you will get nigeria, on one, and at least one other will come back untraceable (or something similar).

If you play this "buyer" enough to have him send a cashiers check, CALL the issuing bank and have them check out the numbers.
The $5000 Bank Of America cashiers check I received came from a stolen batch of checks in California, the check APPEARED to be real, and it was, but the information on it was non-concurrent with the series of numbers it contained, the printing was even done with a real (stolen) imprinting machine.
I even traced the FedEx package back to Nigeria, the person I was dealing with adamantly stated he was in London, I went so far as to do an internet search of his address through Lycos, mapquest, and several other mapping sites.
When confronted with this he DID give me a valid address, to a corporation headquarters.

These people will NOT work out a deal with you, and I have been contacted three other times with the same intended overseas dealings.
I was working on my deal in cooperation with the Pennsylvania State Police, and the Warren County Sheriffs Department, we had a really nice write-up in the paper about it.
These kind of dealings are also known as the Nigerian "409" scam, named after the Nigerian penal code section "409" dealing with this type of scam originating from their country.
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I agree with Magnus_Jager.

Cash Talks!!!
BS Walks!!!



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Old 01-20-2004, 12:39 PM
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Thanx for the IP locator tip. I don't understand everything I know about IP addresses and this will give me some hands on training.
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A friend of mine ran into the same scam when he was selling his Vette. They offered $10K for it. They even sent a rubber check!
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I open the message and right click, open properties but there is no IP address, just a URL. What am I doing wrong?
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