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Old 08-20-2013, 05:11 AM
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why bother using a flat base if your going to clear it . it's no longer a semi gloss as the clear will gloss anyway. makes no sense to me .

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Old 08-20-2013, 07:04 AM
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Agreed with Shine, why spend $200 on a cheap flat SS, to clear over and make it shine (no pun intended ). I am not belittling him, or criticizing, just not understanding his purpose or reasons for doing this. Did he say why he chose to do it this way?

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Old 08-20-2013, 08:50 AM
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Hot Rod Flatz in J U N K !
Hmm, interesting... I've shot this before, loved it, had excellent results, and it's held up well since 2008. Maybe you didn't mix it properly or follow instructions? Or perhaps are just parroting the usual internet hype?

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Agreed with Shine, why spend $200 on a cheap flat SS, to clear over and make it shine (no pun intended ). I am not belittling him, or criticizing, just not understanding his purpose or reasons for doing this. Did he say why he chose to do it this way?

Kelly
The reasoning behind this, I will explain. He originally planned on just a flat paint job when he bought the flat paint. Then he got a little carried away on the body work (spent a LOT of time blocking). He did this whole thing himself and it came out very good for a beginner. When it came time to paint it he could not see spending more on base coat when he already had the flat red. With the clear and the red paint he did not spend more than $300, painting this whole car. And it does look real good. So now you can understand why he went this route. Will it still look good 15-20 years down the road, will just have too wait and see.

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Old 08-20-2013, 10:54 AM
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problem is many do not have any knowledge of resins. there is a reason some paint is very cheap and some is expensive . but there are very few paints of quality resin that are not somewhat expensive. dupont/ppg and the like have spent many years and a ton of money to capture their share of the market. i use ppg color but refuse to use their clears or primers as they are all designed for production. put 6-8 coats of their clear on and you will understand. but as usual the cheap low level resin products are all that this site will support. when the failures happen it will not be told here and the ones with the outrageous claims will not be the ones on the phone trying to help some poor guy who listened to the bs only to have 3 years of hard work go down the tube after a year or so in the sun. those few dollars you saved will look cheap when you have to disassemble a car a strip it .
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Here are some pics of the 55 chev that was done in hot rod flatz.
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ive sprayed it with no problems on my buddies ranger he sold it a month later but and i haven't seen it since but it looked good while he had it lol.
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Here are some pics of the 55 chev that was done in hot rod flatz.
The car looks great.

How many coats of the base color and clear was applied?

I am not set on using Hot Rod Flatz paint but maybe another manufacturer.

I am just trying to decide which way to go. Satin or gloss.

I do realize that the prep for the paint is what makes the paint job. I will be painting the car in my two car garage at home.

I want to thank everyone for the feedback, keep it coming.
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Old 08-22-2013, 10:44 AM
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The number of coats of clear applied to a vehicle is directly related to what you plan on doing after it's cleared and what you want. If your going for a flat finish, 2 coats of matte clear is probably all you need. If your going for a gloss finish, 2 coats of clear is fine...if your planning on cutting and polishing the clear, 3 coats minimum, 4 and 5 are acceptable as well. If your applying 4 or 5 coats of clear and expecting to cut and polish the clear, a good idea is to apply 2 to 3 coats of clear, let it cure, block sand the clear with 600 or 800 wt paper, and apply another to coats of clear...then let it set up, color sand and buff.

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Old 08-22-2013, 10:52 AM
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I am done with cheap paints! The last one I did in red... at the owner's request... had a dying gloss in about 1 year, and fading color in about 3 years!!!

To me the only reason to use these is if you are selling very soon... if you simply cannot afford good paint...or you choose not to afford it.

I will acknowledge that it is their money to spend. The sad part about choosing not to afford it, is that often these guys try to portray the painter as a rip-off, when he has simply chosen to do a good job. {:-(

I respect the owners right to decide... but I work for others, so reputation and quality mean everything.
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Dom't buy none of that crap from tcp global!I was buying it & thought Hell I just can't paint I bought good materials & now get good results.I tryd the hotrod flatz black it was crap..got a few diffrent gallons of single stage & its thick as 2k primer from summit & it calls for no reducer.Ray remembers that gray that I almost lost my mind over.Plus there shipping is nuts!
I just did some lite bodywork & shot it in spi black epoxy for the customer it gives that nice hotrod black look now the customer dosnt wanna paint it.I got op @ first but deadbodyman recomended reducing which I did laid nice.I myself still prefer 2k primer but for that flat black there epoxy primer is killer & has uv protectants.can't recall who but someone on here did a real nice job with it maybe he will chime in.imho tcp stuff sucks,I mean they also sell cake supplies I don't want my steak dinner coming from a crayon factory.Lately I buy summits black & there satin clear I don't like there new flat line either.And I'm far less experinced then these guys.Listen to them.I did & haven't been steerd wrong yet.
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