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Old 01-06-2002, 07:18 AM
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A few of my wrenching buddies and I were discussing how much NSRA & Goodguys charge to get into their "Mega-Rod-Runs".

I guess they way we see it, NSRA & Goodguys should let us rodders, the owner of the vehicles that are actually drawing the spectators to the event, in to these events for free. Let me see if I can persuade some of you to agree with us on this.

Lets use the attendance records from the 2001 Street Rod Nationals in Louisville as an example. It costs $35.00 to get in if you are a member, $63.00 if you are not. A Dec-200 Street Rodder magazine article stated that in 2000 they had 11,261 street rods and 35,000 spectators in Louisville.

1.0 Assuming half the cars were NSRA members: 11,261 / 2 = 5630
5630 * $35 = $177,345 NSRA members
5630 * $63 = $354,690 non-members
Sub-total $532,035 entrance fee for street rod drivers
2.0 Assuming 1/3 of the spectators were NSRA members: 35,000 / 3 = 11,666
11,666 * $35 = $ 408,310 NSRA spectators
23,334 * $65 = $1,516,710 non-NSRA spectators
Sub-total $1,925,020 spectator fee

3.0 Total money made from street rodders and spectators:
$532,035 entrance fee for street rod drivers
$1,925,020 spectator fee
Grand Total $2,457,055

2.5 million dollars and that doesn't even include the money they made off of the 294 exhibitors and all the food peddlers.

Why is it that the NSRA and Goodguys organizations charge us to allow them to make money off of our cars? Yeah, they have a great giveaway program, but does anyone really think the organizers are paying full price for these goodies. You can bet they are either given to the organizers, traded for entry fees & publicity or are purchased for pennies on the dollar.

To each their own I guess, building and driving the car is what I am about.

As for me I will continue to stick to the local cruise-ins and charity rod runs.

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Dont forget the money these events bring to the surrounding area hotels, restaurants and local stores. I recently drove about 100 miles to a rod run and arrived at 1000 a.m. to find out they had closed entry at 900 a.m. We had to park on the street. It was a three day event, and I could only go for one day, Im sorry but I actually work for a living and can't take a lot of time off if I want to keep eating! I have to agree, the NSRA is all about money and representing manufacturers. I dont believe thay give a darn about the hobbyist other than getting their money. The NHRA is going the same way. I quit drag racing in the NHRA because the organization is all about money and the actual racing is secondary. I recently attended a AHRA (AMERICAN HOT ROD ASSOCIATION) event in Spokane, Washington and it is the most fun I had in years, they are really geared to the racer and the entry fee was about $12.00. Have you noticed that when you go to these events and start talking cars with the owners of some of the high dollar rides, they know almost nothing about their cars! I think this is why the "RAT ROD" movement is becoming so very popular. NSRA better be paying attention to the hobbyist or they will find themselves in the position of re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic!
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All this proves is that capitalism works! If ya dont like paying for a good time....Don`t go.
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Lets not forget how they rape the vendors. I as a pintriper will be charged $1500 to set up a 20'X20' outdoor spot at the Nats. If I choose to have my brother, who is also a striper, come in and help me, he pays the same. NOw think about how many vendors are there and how many have larger spots.

Given good weather, I can work 4, maybe 4 1/2 days. It takes 2 good days to make that fee for one striper. I may be jaded here, but that's just too damn high. Is it me?

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Old 01-09-2002, 02:49 PM
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I think the high prices we are seeing at these events are a result of the "buy everything" mentality that seem to be running wild. If I buy a hot rod, I am a hot rodder, right? I don't think so. Sweat equity and ingenuity, not money, is required.

Hot Rods are built, not bought. In my little world, if you build a Hot Rod, and then sell it, it becomes a Street Rod. That's the difference, in my little world.

And the term "Rat Rod" is now being tossed about in magazines, like Street Rodder and Rod and Custom, that glorify these high dollar "Pro-built" cars. These home built cars they call "Rat Rods" are really grass roots Hot Rodding at its best.

Maybe what we need is to organize the "Grass-Roots Hot Rod Nationals". The builder, his Hot Rod(s), and his old lady get in free, everybody else pays, period.

If I see one more damn "George Poteet - Bob Young - Mega-Buck - Riddler - AMBR- Award Winning - I don't know I bought it that way - car" I think I will puke. Why don't they replace the picture of the millionaire owner with a group picture of all the craftsmen that built it?

AHHHHH, Now I feel better. J
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Old 01-14-2002, 09:35 AM
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Car show COST.... have you ever put on a show before...I am show chairman for Memorial Day Rod Run here in Jacksonville Fl. This is our 31st annual show this year...If you have never put on a show before.... it is a lot of headaches and cost a lot of money$$$...trophies or plaques.. dash plaques.. printing material and advertizing..
door prizes and raffel prizes are not cheap... and we are a non profit club and most of our hard work goes to charity...
Car shows are for FUN!!!! and when you think someone is going to pay you to show your car.... or your going to make money with your cars... it doesn't happen very often...did you ever think what your car is worth if you paid yourself minimum wage for the hours you put into it building it... no one could afford to buy one...
Its the love of the sport and the fellowship that makes hot rodding fun.... Now lets clean up our rides and go CRUISE.... Thanks... Bruce
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right on for you guys that are speaking up about the high costs of car shows. promoters should keep in mind that the majority of us are not millionaires and this is a hobby much like fishing, hunting, etc. i save all winter to attend the shows i want to in the summer.
its not only the shows anymore, but everything else i.e. gas, motel,food,t-shirts,etc. i generally go to the james dean shows in indiana every year. when i started in 96, i paid around 30-40 dollars for a nice room(it was 40 miles from the event). this last year, i had to pay a little over 100. and still had to drive a round trip of nearly 90 miles everyday. i will say for the show itself, you get your monies worth. pre-register for 17. and you get a free t-shirt, plus they have great entertainment.
the fellow that said he helped promote shows and give the cost of plaques, prizes,etc. as an excuse for high prices should know that most of those items are donated by local business or if not they should be for the revenue that these shows bring to an area
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To all,
The Hot Rod Nat's has the same big buck charges!
I will not pay so spectators can see my car, & I will not charge A spectator to look at my car.
I live only 20 miles from the event,and will not attend because of that!
To Rodrunner VP
I have worked on A few runs. we go out & get sponsors for plaques,trophies,&prizes to cut costs. Get off your butts& do something for the sport.The idea is not to make money,but to promote the sport.
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If memory serves me correctly Gary Meadors split from NSRA to form Goodguys to get away from the politics and B.S. The result seems to be the same. I have friends from STD Glass in Coos Bay Or. that went to every NSRA show and gave over $100,000 in door prizes, when Steve had what they thought was a heart attack, they sold his indoor space to someone else and never gave him a refund. I can only hope that Gary Meadors isn't quite as greedy as Vern Walker. Because of these things small rod runs are all I care to attend anymore.
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Old 01-15-2002, 12:07 PM
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Before we get too far on this.... let's remember the real damage that occurs.

We all know that NHRA and Goodguys charges an outrageous amount to participate, visit, or be a vendor (now you know why alot of vendor's prices are so high!) but also consider a few things. First off the cost for all the goodies involved (door prizes, etc.) is not the only cost Goodguys or NHRA incurs. Remember that when they reserve and present a show on whatever three day weekend at some state fairground like say in Knoxville, TN
they've locked in to pay the state for the use of that property as well (regardless of if anyone shows up or not), and lemme tell ya-it ain't cheap. State's get revenue off these things, be sure of that.

But the real damage is not really to those of us already into hotrodding... the true damage occurs when a fifteen year old kid, or a thirty year old man steps up to the booth and finds out that to look at everybody else's rides...he's going to have to pay in excess of $10-$15! Suddenly he associates HotRodding with the realm of the rich, the well to do, those who turn wrenches with other's hands-so to speak (not all of 'em but most), and he becomes disenfranchised, loses interest, and never follows through with his dream of maybe owning a '40 Ford or a '58 Impala, etc.

Beyond that situation he returns home, sees that a local car club is having a show or a rod run and again, he thinks it's just for folks 60+ who've blown their pensions to buy fiberglass wanna-be's.

Now then, here's where it hurts even more... the small club, whose budget is infinitely tighter than large groups like NHRA/GoodGuys, has to fight for attendance by the non hot-rodding public at each and every show as it is but charging fees can bee a taboo in ANY form! Most small clubs operate on membership dues and consistent donations in either time, material, or cash by the members. So let's please not condemn all clubs based on the larger meets!

I however have to say that when you go to a major car show (one of the nationals) if you pay $12-15 to get in you assured that you're not going to see the same 10-15 cars you see every weekend at the local get-together. The sheer volume and diversification of vehicles is worth the high price in mine, and some peoples opinions, and that's what the big meets are selling, volume not hotrodding. Wanna get nationwide exposure for your rod... it's a great place for that too if you're lucky enough to get photographed.

Wanna see six thousand cars? Well you're going to have to go somewhere that can accomodate them.

(I personally would like to see two car shows in one, one half of the parking area for the cars, and the other half for their trailers... maybe we could number them individually and let people try to match them up!)

Sorry, just rambling.... I guess I'll go back outside and stick that emergency flasher back under the dash now......!

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the car owners should be either given free admission or a reduced rate if they are members of goodguys and or nsra.

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I and my family own and drive 5 real steel rods and muscle cars. I do not attend these events with the smooty n rich and their pretend rods. They don't build anything and some don't know where to check the oil. At one time I did attend, took my 49Ford 2dr to one of these, people there were too concerned with points and ribbons, most of them trailered their cars and were glad to show off the low or almost no milage rides, or should I say push cars, push it off the trailer, wench it back on the trailer. Rat Rods Rule!!
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And I thought I was the only one out here thinking these things! You guys are "right on",on the points you bring up. I've never been to a NHRA or NSRA event but I know all about the Greedy Guys. I live in the bay area and there's a t shirt that's going around. Instead of the 32 that the good guy's use, there's a Brinks truck with money bags falling out and above it, it reads GREEDY GUYS.The Good Guys used to have seperate admission prices for their events. One price of the show and one price for the swap meet. Now you have no choice. You pay one price for both events. As for the pro built rods, I think that the money and effort put into these rides is amazing. I love them but when I open the magizines I subscribe to,there is never a car built by the average rodder. I'm going to start letting my subscribtions lapse.No matter what happens on the "High End" of the rod scene there will always be the bottom feeders that I hang out with and are a part of.
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I say as a group we should all get together and petition the N.S.R.A. ,the N.H.R.A, AND the Goodguys car clubs and let them know how we feel!
I agree with you guys,lets make it affordable for ALL!
And for those high buck cars made from the shop, OR shops, they should have to tell!
1. who built it.
2.where.
3. what went into it. (parts,labor,actual cost.)

some already do those things, but it is out of necessity becouse they themselves have NO idea how to check the oil! or change the filter!
(not that they would need to.)
they never run them!
I drive my cars daily! a 46 chevy aero sedan and my work truck, the 41 chevy panel delivery.
yes, ALL year around! IN Minnesota!
I believe in real street rodding!
lets drive those prices down!!! And get the REAL street rodders back into the game of showing off what they know!
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