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Old 09-03-2010, 01:18 PM
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CAUTION 100LL avgas still has lead in it! If you have a catalytic converter the lead will destroy it! Also, in most states it is illegal to use avgas in an over-the-road vehicle because there are no highway taxes on avgas. 'Course, it's only illegal if you get caught!!
Do we need a special license for them to sell the stuff to us? I might pick up a five gallon can or two.. There is a small airport near here. Thanks

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Old 09-03-2010, 01:24 PM
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Many airports have self-service pumps where you can just walk up with a can (and a credit card) and pump it yourself. If you have to talk to the line person to get them to pump it from a refueler truck, just tell them it's for your plane if they ask. Most won't even ask. I've even caught line people pumping avgas into their personal vehicles at the airport where I work!

Make sure you are using the avgas pump and not the jet fuel pump!! Jet fuel is essentially kerosene/diesel fuel and will burn up your motor real quick!!

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Many airports have self-service pumps where you can just walk up with a can (and a credit card) and pump it yourself. If you have to talk to the line person to get them to pump it from a refueler truck, just tell them it's for your plane if they ask. Most won't even ask. I've even caught line people pumping avgas into their personal vehicles at the airport where I work!

Make sure you are using the avgas pump and not the jet fuel pump!! Jet fuel is essentially kerosene/diesel fuel and will burn up your motor real quick!!
Thanks for the reply, how much can I expect to pay? I tried looking it up on gooogle without much luck. 4 or 5 bucks a gallon?
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Thanks for the reply, how much can I expect to pay? I tried looking it up on gooogle without much luck. 4 or 5 bucks a gallon?
It's going to depend on your location. Cheaper in the heartland, more expensive on the coasts. More expensive at bigger city airports, usually significantly less expensive at smaller, rural airports.

Go to this site and type in your zip code to get local prices. In our area, prices range from $3.85 for self-serve at a tiny country airport to $5.99 pumped from a refueler at the big city airport.
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Great site, thanks a bunch!
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If you decide to use toluene as an additive/octane booster,start with only 10%.I.E. 1 gal toluene for every 10 gal. total.
Be carefull with this stuff! I wouldnt put any more than 25% or so in there.

I think you will be a lot better off using a fuel additive that contains MMT
per manufactures instructions,anyway I would try that first and if it doesnt work you can experiment with other stuff like,Toluene,Av gas, etc.

I dont think you can get TElead anywhere any more,even if u can STAY AWAY from that stuff.
Very harmfull to health,can kill u if u get it in bloodstream!
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If you run Av gas be sure to run Marvel Mystery oil with it. If you google it you'll find a LOT on why. We run it in my Buddy's Cessna that we fly.
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I was just reading how as little as 1% pure acetone improves the burn properties and the vaporization of normal gasolene. Don't know how true it is but interesting and the guy made a good point. It is in a torrent with dozens of pdf files listing patents on a lot of different carbs that attempt to completely vaporize the fuel before combustion. Some of the carbs look scary, like a backfire could cause a bad fire, but I love this kinda stuff. Some are simple, like an old evaporative "swamp cooler" using gasolene instead of water. Backfire bad, mmhkay? lol

But the acetone thing couldn't hurt in only 1 or 2% mix I wouldn't think.

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The proper mix for acetone is between 1 and 3 ounces per 10 gal of fuel
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The proper mix for acetone is between 1 and 3 ounces per 10 gal of fuel
So that's what- like between ~0.08% and ~0.23%.

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But the acetone thing couldn't hurt in only 1 or 2% mix I wouldn't think.
Using 2% would be 25.6 oz/10 gall.

So, yeah- research things first, I would think...
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So that's what- like between ~0.08% and ~0.23%.

Using 2% would be 25.6 oz/10 gall.

So, yeah- research things first, I would think...
Whats the octane increase with acetone? Ive run the toluene many times. I honestly cant say I saw any performance increase but I didnt see any DECREASE either so in my mind it was working. It became too pricey for the street drive / race though.
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Whats the octane increase with acetone? Ive run the toluene many times. I honestly cant say I saw any performance increase but I didnt see any DECREASE either so in my mind it was working. It became too pricey for the street drive / race though.
Bubba, I've heard of this for years but have never tried it- so I cannot answer the question w/anything for certain.

I CAN tell you that acetone will draw the moisture out of the air, and industrial acetone may well contain water. When I use Home Depot acetone for fireworks, (it's used for making nitrocellulose lacquer from single base smokeless powder, for instance. You know how a ping pong ball burns so fast? Nitrocellulose!), I dry it w/molecular sieves (can be thought of as a desiccant for liquids). It can also be redistilled to rid it of water, but not a lot of car guys are equipped to do this.

Is there enough water to matter in this case? Probably not- at least I wouldn't worry too much about that end of it. But I'd rather mention it than have it come as a nasty surprise to someone.
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Sounds like youd have to be a chemist to use it. The water might even be part of what makes it work as a higher octane booster like the water injection systems? I think I'll skip experimenting but I welcome anyone else to try it.
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CAUTION 100LL avgas still has lead in it! If you have a catalytic converter the lead will destroy it! Also, in most states it is illegal to use avgas in an over-the-road vehicle because there are no highway taxes on avgas. 'Course, it's only illegal if you get caught!!
Yep, that's what the LL stands for....low lead.
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The proper mix for acetone is between 1 and 3 ounces per 10 gal of fuel
You are right, sorry for that. I had just (mis)read that paper, I have never tried it in my automobile either.
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