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Old 03-03-2011, 06:50 AM
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IMHO the paint on new Corvette's is appalling, orange peel city .

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Late 60s and 70s there where realy bad batches of primer and paint produced (if you remember paint peeled right off< all american car co. had the problem!)there was silicone in the primers> same plant that made other chemicals made the primer! ford top end cars where shot with PPG glamor lacquer NO PROBLEMS buetifull paint can still buy it today in enamels or lacquer (just painted a 36 dodge hump back delivery with glamor and a 70 lincoln) You can have it mixed in omni by PPG its a little cheeper!! Dont know how I got on that rant I dont even want to think about china !!!!! I used dura glass at one time ,Dont any more the instructions tell you to drill holes now (I weld fill and lead holes)I dont want to make more> theres so much crap out there now its scary to try anything new. If China has their hand in it sh%* can it
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Thanks for that, it makes sense about the baking causing orange peel, I can understand why they do it though as even an hour is a long time for a production process.

It would be interesting to see how a car would turn out if sprayed by robots and then left to dry over a longer period of time. Im guessing it would be dead smooth.
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Old 03-03-2011, 05:05 PM
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I don't think it makes much difference what a car costs say, up to $100M, the chances of a crappy paint job is probably close to 100%. I saw a 7 series Beemer a couple weeks ago - I couldn't believe the 'peel. If my '31 looked as bad as that car, I would start over. Then there was my mistake in judgment '87 Porsche 944. Waves in the Guards Red, not 'peel. My '06 black F350 has a mediocre paint job, but my wife's '03 Escape - almost no peel.

If people accept those paint jobs, then the car manufacturers will continue to turn them out. Then ask a body shop to duplicate the paint in a repair

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Years ago, when I worked for a Ford dealership body shop, I was fortunate to get in on a private tour of the St. Paul Assembly Plant paint line put on by DuPont through our paint supplier.

The question of factory orange peel came up and the DuPont Rep's answer was that orange peel is there intentionally because it adds durability to the paint job. He claimed the orange peel is there to diffuse sunlight, and that if the paint was glass-smooth, more UV light would penetrate through and break down the bond between the paint and primer faster.

Could be a line of BS for all I know, but that was DuPont's story at the time.
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I don't think it makes much difference what a car costs say, up to $100M, the chances of a crappy paint job is probably close to 100%. I saw a 7 series Beemer a couple weeks ago - I couldn't believe the 'peel. If my '31 looked as bad as that car, I would start over. Then there was my mistake in judgment '87 Porsche 944. Waves in the Guards Red, not 'peel. My '06 black F350 has a mediocre paint job, but my wife's '03 Escape - almost no peel.

If people accept those paint jobs, then the car manufacturers will continue to turn them out. Then ask a body shop to duplicate the paint in a repair

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i have very hard time trying to make my clear look as ****ty as the rest of the car i repair

there is nothing worse than getting a damaged late model vehicle in the shop repair and the area you fixed stand out as the rest of the car looks so bad its aggravation some times to say the least...


to answer a earlier question i dont want to sand of what little clear is on my New truck and buff,imo it needs to be sanded and more added if i want the Paint to last a long time,but thats just me...
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I believe the rolls royce phatoms are painted by hand. Had a chance to work on one of these, not even a year old off the assembly line. Could spot tiny pieces of trash here and there, mainly on the roof. It was given some effort to be cut out and polished at the factory, but not enough. Didn't seem to be any sort of dealer re-do. Paint was decently slick, definately better than, lets say the lexus' or mercedes' i've seen, but none them were anywhere near a phantom.

half a million dollar car, and still has paint defects.

but hey, when we deliver a full paint job out of the shop on a honda civic, it better be PERFECTION!!!

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Problem solved, if you want a good paint job buy a rolls royce phantom lol, interesting you found nibs in the paint.
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It's the worst when customers don't seem to realize there vehicle has orange peel. I remember doing a hood and fender on a black ford, only to have the customer ***** about the peel. Looked factory to me, but I guess he wanted it wet sanded and polished smooth.

Defeats the purpose of a non-detectable repair.
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I'm a long-time Toyota owner and I've owned a Corolla and I have an '09 Camry. When looking at cars for my daughter we took a peek at a '10 Corolla. They moved the plant to Canada and the new finishes look like crap. I believe it to be single-stage with no clear and no gloss ! I've seen peel before in clear I can live with that this HAD NO CLEAR in my opinion !

I agree, my '09 Camry needs to be wet-sanded and about 3 coats of UV clear put on it then cut and buff...
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