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Old 03-09-2003, 10:08 PM
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Question Old School - Black Primer Look - Paint Guns

I've always loved that Black primer look, ala' (PPG DP90) which is why I've chosen to paint my '58 Stepside just that color once all the bodywork is perfected. My question is, I'm debating on what sort of money I should spend on the type of HVLP gun I'm going to be using to shoot this EPOXY PRIMER. I've read the discussions in regards to the Harbor Freight
$65 HVLP, but some have suggested spending the
$129-$169 for the Finnishline/Devilbiss #365-316
HVLP gun - a nice inbetween price - for proven consistant quality, I'm told.

My thinking is, running around with just black epoxy primer, eventually (1-2years) the primer is going to oxidize so I know I'll have to scuff up and reshoot. Either way, it's gotta go on there with some quality form since there wont be any color top coat to hide imperfections with how the primer is laid out.

Should I just buy a throw away gun every year or two, or spend the extra bucks on a name-brand that might last me a bit longer?

My other concern is that the PPG DP90 Epoxy Primer I'm told is very unforgiving if not cleaned out of the gun immediately. Will the cheaper gun hold up to this type of primer, or would the gun with the better parts stand a better chance.

I know, I know, even with a $500 gun if I don't clean it out right away it would be worthless.

Yikes!

Decisions, Decisions.

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If your going to go to al the work to perfect the bodywork I wouldn't use a epoxy primer for your final coat. Instead use a urethane BC/CC with a flattening adjent in the clear. It will last longer, no oxidation and its tough. Still get the cool suede look with good protection.

As for the gun, if you plan on spraying alot or doing custom work on the side go with the DeVibiss or other higher quality guns. If you only plan to be doing your customs and not go pro the harbor freight gun works just fine. I own 3 myself from them, one HVLP gravity feed and two others. I also have a DeVibiss for my high quality paints. They all work great. Definatly keep your gun and shop clean.

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HK,

Urethane BC/CC with a flattening agent in the clear.

Can I get all of the above from PPG?

Will it be any harder or complicated to shoot than the epoxy primer? Meaning, I've practiced shooting the primer itself and it seems fairly easy. I'm told shooting paint (final coat) is a bit more complicated.

What's BC/CC stand for?

Pardon my ignorance. I knew there had to be a more durable way to get that primer look. It's just that so many seem to go about it so many different ways. One day one guy will tell me shoot clear over the DP90. Next day someone else will tell me that the clear will get milky.

Though your post have a certain ring of knowledge to them so what you say......is definately what I'm going to attempt to do.
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BC/CC stands for Base Coat Clear Coat.

Yes, PPG carries all of the products needed.

Well there are many ways to accomplish that suede look. Clearing over primer is one of them, but it doesn't look like a supreme suede, but it is one of the ways to do it. Some companies sell single stage paints that are suede, but the BC/CC with flattening agent in the clear is much more durable. You could even use the Chassis Coat from POR-15, it has a suede look and its a very tough polyurethane, but if you ever plan on painting it a different color use the PPG BC/CC.

Spraying BC/CC is about the same as primer. The base itself will be non glossy when applied. The clear will give it gloss, but if you add a flattening agent to the clear it will dull the finish to the smooth suede look and its much easier to wash and keep clean than anyother of the suede look options.

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HK,

I truly appreciate your help. I'll definately go
the urethane bc/cc flattener route. Seems to be the smart and professional approach.

Will the PPG directions tell me just how much flattener to add to the clear or will I have to figure out the proper mixture on my own?
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Your paint rep can walk you through the direction on the additives. Flattener is one of those additives that you can use to your descretion, but the producer does give you a guidline.

Happy to help, don't forget to check out the Knowledge Base. It has many helpful tips and etc.

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I have gone with the flat black option. I used a two-stage PPG-Omni black with flatening agent. No clear coat. It doesn't have that true dry flat look that PPG DP90 has but, looks great for a show flat black. Pick up a pint or so and mix some up and test it out on something. You might like it.
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I have gone with the flat black option. I used a two-stage PPG-Omni black with flatening agent. No clear coat. It doesn't have that true dry flat look that PPG DP90 has but, looks great for a show flat black. Pick up a pint or so and mix some up and test it out on something. You might like it.
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What is PPG? i have done a little bit of body work but the only company that i have delt with is House of Kolor <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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House of Kolor is great. Omni is part of PPG.
<a href="http://corporate.ppg.com/ppg/corporate/default.htm" target="_blank">http://corporate.ppg.com/ppg/corporate/default.htm</a>
I went with the Omni because the flat black is a temp. thing right now. Didn't wanna put to much money in it. The truck will be Kandy Green one day.
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I shot mine with N.A.P.A. Tec 5100 series urethane tintable primer.Hade them tint it Very black.Turned out great.Water proof and sands like chalk.My scallops are rattle can .Just my 2 cents worth.
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Flat Black Paint

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Do a search on this site for John Deere Blitz Black.
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