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Old 10-25-2002, 01:03 PM
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Question Opinion of those tin foil air twisters

Whats everyones opinion of the "Tornado,Spiral-max, and the Helix power tower??" I have heard so many bad things about them, but just wondering what YOUR opinions are. also if the Tornado and the Spiral-Max is so bad, then shouldn't the Power tower suck as well since they are simaler in what they do? or is it that the Tornado and Spiral-max just restrict flow, because the Power Tower isn't in the way of the incoming air.

P.S. I DON'T PLAN ON WASTING MONEY ON THESE MODS ANYWAYS, JUST WONDERING WHAT THE HYPE IS ABOUT <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

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They do work. Order one from QVC shopping and if you dont like it send it back. Try a K&N filter also. Royal Purple oil is great to use, I use it in everything. The gear lub took the rearend noise out of my Vette and a friends. In my Monty Carlo and Blazer both gained 5 mpg. They say its worth 5%hp, I can feel the loss of friction out of my motor,a 427 SBC. I also use Marval Mystry Oil in my gas as a booster and upper end lub. We use it on our drag car chassie to stop the rusting on the chrome moly tubing. Let me know if you try any of the 3.My pics are in the album.LOL
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Yeah I was thinking of using Royal Purple, But My car is to old and not worth spending 5 bucks a quart, besides my valve cover gasket is shot, so maybe when I fix it I'll just switch to a Mobil1 semi-synth. Last month I started using Marvel Mystery oil in my gas, it says to use 4 ounces to 10 gallons, but I use a about 16 ounce bottle in a full tank, works ok, seen very slight dif in gas milage. Appreciate the info
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Dang near forgot! I got a cold air intake from a Honda Accord, the 3 inch polished alluminum tube fits great around the motor, goes into the stock boot on the throtle body,and ties down with a big hose clamp perfectly onto the stock air box mount, and it has an APC filter...not a K&N but 1/3 the price..I made a air-box around the filter with cardboard and covered it with bondo-glass and glass matting, the funny part is the dryer duct routed up from the front of the car..YES I know sounds ghetto but with the $7.00 air duct I lowered my incoming air temp about 25-45 degress depending on weather.and I'm sure people know that a 10 degree drop in incoming air is a 1hp gain.
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The big problem with these "devices" are the claims. If you think you can feel a 5% improvement then your a better man than I. None of these things are worth a damn to me except the K@N filter, they save you money by being reusable. Any HP improvement is negligable and not something you could feel in the seat of the pants anyway. "Turbolators" and magnetic molecule aligners have been around since the automobile was first manufactured, I doubt the effect was ever worth the expense. You want HP then build a ram air, at least that you will feel at high speed.
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Hi Chuck, The Royal Purple DOES work. A friend of mine did'nt belive it either. He was using Mobil 1 in his built 454 and tried the Royal and he could tell the differance. Don't knock it until you tried it. Hows things going up that way?
How about a email sometime.
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By the way we used to use the dryer hose back in the 60s taking out a front headlite and feeding it to the carb, Ford had a setup on a couple of their cars at that time also.

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the helix spacer plate does work,you just don't need to spend the cash. all i did was buy a chunk of aluminum,trace the gasket,drill and tap it and it cost me $30! it made 12hp at the wheels. today i made some thing similar to the spiralmax for the small block in my little jimmy,i noticed smoother acceleration but not worth $69. i noticed one thing on their site that i think is a load by the way. how can putting one of these devices in front of a blower do any thing for performance? i always thought that the blower is going to have it's idae about how the air is going into the engine. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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yeah I figured that the Helix might help more than the Spiralmax or the Tornado because it doesn't restrict flow.
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Anyone outhere that doesn't beleive royal purple works, just chang the oil in a non computer contolled car ( so idle spees isn't compensated)
with royal purple. you will definately see an idle rpm change just from the loss of friction.
I didn't believe it either till i tried it myself.
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Hotrodders have spent decades fingering out how to STRIAGHTEN incoming air for more power. So why would creating turbulance gonna help anything!
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the way i see it, if they are so great, then why don't the car companies put them on production cars. the only reasons a car company wouldn't is if they didn't do anything or if they hurt emissions/gas mileage. it just doesn't add up to me.
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they trick behind that spiral max toy is to twist the air and fuel molecules together. but the place you install the spiralmax is up in the air hose . its nowhere near fuel. by the time the twisting air hits the throttle plate its straight as it was before the spiral max. so a no improvement is seen.
they dont work. you would be better off getting those screened intake gaskets.
or if your real cheap just stretch a pair of panty hose over the throttle body. :p
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I was talking about the Tornado not the flat plate I havent seen it but I dont think it will work as well.
Thats why GM came out with the Vortec heads because of the swerled flow, same as the swerled valves, ever try dimppling heads on the slow side to speed up the air flow? That works great.
None belived in it either. They proved it on a baseball bat and the speed of the bat was 60% faster and the ball went 25% farther. Look at the new vaccums they have the vortech action to help get more air flow, theres alot behind all of it,
just like pocket porting to help flow.
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I change the Royal oil every 10,000 miles and the filter every 3,000. On GM filters there are 3 sizes on the older motors PF25 1qt.,PF35 1 1/2qt, and PF932 2qt
I use the 932 and its 1" above the bottom of the oil pan.

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Dimpling cyl. heads prvides better mixture Quality rather than increasing air/fuel velocity. Less fall out.

Striaght air will cover more linear feet per second than air traveling in a spiral fashion. Swirl valves and heads or even porting for these charecteristics will increase power in the form of torque due to "air stacking". This is more easly uderstood if you can picture a box. Now, you can fit many more smaller box's inside this box if you "stack" or organize them, then if you were to hap-hazardley throw them in the box. This same principal works in many other things than just engines. More air for any given space will equate to more power and better engine efficency.

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