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Old 10-11-2007, 11:07 AM
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Opinions on adding fenders to sedan delivery

After living with the finished shape of the sedan delivery body for a couple weeks now I've become convinced the rear curve of the body is too dramatic and overpowering and I need to soften the impact by adding other curves/sight lines to the car. I've been playing around with some photoshopped fenders and am about to embark on fabricating what is pictured below. Fortunately, I won't need to destroy any of the existing body lines or features by adding these fenders...so they WILL be removable should they turn out to totally mess up the impact of the car.

The fronts are simply cycle type fenders, the running board will be partially open (more like the step bar you see on newer pickups than a solid running board) and the rears will be full fenders with a panel transitioning into the rear quarter panel of the car. The first picture is how the car looks now and the photoshopped/colorized picture is my target design.

I'm interested in hearing additional opinion on whether this adds to or detracts from the original lines of the car. I personally feel this would be an improvement...but I'm not yet married to the idea. So I'm open to hearing pros and cons.



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Old 10-11-2007, 11:22 AM
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cboy,

I really like your idea! I think it finishes the Car and gives it some "flow" (how would you feel about putting in some sort of Quarter Window (I like five windows a bunch, and I think you may have a huge blind spot)-just a thought-
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I'm sorry but I don't like it! It makes your project start to look like a custom show rod rather than a hot rod. In order for it to work for me you would need all the other mods a show rod would have such as attaching the running boards to the front fenders and a custom grille shell with built in headlights. My opinion.
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I think the fenders set it off just fine..and yeah some windows or portholes might work but of course you had some graphics for that area..

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On the front they will stay with the wheel right?


On the rear I think to follow the curve of the body to flow line,

something like this

my photo shop skills are not much



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Old 10-11-2007, 04:58 PM
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...how would you feel about putting in some sort of Quarter Window
The plan all along has been to "install" a rear panel in that area...just like a normal sedan delivery which has a metal panel instead of a sedan back window in that area. In the original design and fabrication of the skeleton (in my cboy-two journal) you will even see that those window/panels were actually framed out with 1x1 tubing. However, I altered my plan slightly and decided to simply cover over the area with a solid panel of sheet metal for the time being and then create that rear panel later using a "reveal". This reveal will be fabricated on top of the existing sheet metal and will tie into a belt line that runs just below the door windows and on around the back of the car below the rear hatch. Just saying I agree with the need to deal with that dead spot...and it's in the works.

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... It makes your project start to look like a custom show rod rather than a hot rod. In order for it to work for me you would need all the other mods a show rod would have such as attaching the running boards to the front fenders and a custom grille shell with built in headlights.
I can see your point. At the same time I can see 35Window's point that it DOES tend to give the car a more finished look and flow. My intention was to leave the running boards "open" (more or less just bars) so it would look more like side nerf bars on a circle track nostalgia car. My hope was that this might dampen down that "George Barris angel hair" show car feel that I think you are alluding to. Maybe the two (or three or four) different styles I'm starting to get going here simply won't work together but I'm tempted to go ahead and build the fenders/running boards to get a sense of whether it would come together correctly or not in real life.

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On the rear I think to follow the curve of the body to flow line...
Interestingly my original drawings were fairly similar to what you've provided Rob, and I do like that flow. But I moved away from that in part due to the "George Barris" effect that home brew alluded to. But an even larger drawback for me is that the way I visualized that design when I was playing around with it earlier, I think it would be a MUCH more difficult fender to shape properly with my limited skills. So while I think you've defined a nice flowing and attractive design, I am hesitant to tackle quite that much metal work at this juncture. Oh, and the the answer is yes, as they are currently designed the front "cycle" fenders move with the wheel and are not affixed to the running board.

Thanks for all the input so far. These comments and suggestions are a great way for me to think through the pros and cons or this possible change in plans. I'm hoping I might have some real pieces mocked up in the next couple days that will provide something better to go on than the P-shop sketches.
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:38 PM
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Excuse the crappy p-shop job, I did this very quickly to try to give a better idea of what I'm thinking in terms of the running board/nerf bar setup on the sides of the car. These will flow into the rear fender, but the front fenders will be cycle type and separated from the running board as shown.

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I know it's a delivery, but I'll just thow this out there, how about a pickup box?
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Old 10-12-2007, 08:05 AM
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I like it! And you know what, yes it does have the "custom show rod" look, from the very begining it did! The extreme, exaggerated look, it IS a "custom show rod" and I think refreshing without being to wild.

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I like the way the last one looks cboy. However, maybe a slight color change would soften the look to whatever you do for fenders. Aside from black, though, I would have no clue what color would best match what you have.



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how about a pickup box?
Great minds must think alike. My good buddy Jerry (454 Rattler) suggested the pickup bed idea a couple weeks ago when he was over to see the car in person. It would sort of turn the "delivery" into a "king cab" but then who knows exactly WHAT to call this thing. Also, many of the old sedans used to have a "trunk", basically a huge suitcase, that they strapped on the tail end of the car. So a simple pickup bed would not be entirely out of place.


On the down side, I have done a bit of monkeying around mocking up something of a bed on the back. The problem is that so far I haven't been able to come up with a combination that both looks like it belongs there and also does a good job of masking the lower portion of the curve - at least from the side view. The idea is still on my short list, however, so it might still become a reality.
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Cboy,

I'll bet you have toyed possibly with this idea, but if you are going to put a bed on it, what about using the idea of that handbuilt Silver Willy's pickup that has been making the rounds in the Magazines lately (the one where the front curve of the bed matches the back contour of the Cab)?

Just a thought-

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...what about using the idea of that handbuilt Silver Willy's pickup that has been making the rounds in the Magazines lately
Oh crap, thanks a LOT. Now I won't sleep for a week trying to figure out if I can do that.
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Oh crap, thanks a LOT. Now I won't sleep for a week trying to figure out if I can do that.

oops! ROFLMAO!
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heres a couple of quick down and dirty sketches. Just an idea.
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