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Old 09-17-2003, 07:03 AM
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I'm building a new 'Dream' garage/shop- just what I can afford-( not too fancy)! 30x50 w/3 Overhead Doors, Office and restroom, one overhead will house a dedicated paint booth. Question is: most booths I've seen are 14x24- mine is planned at 13x23. Is there anybody with one who can give pros/cons on size? They have just started framing and now is the time to decide on actual interior walls. Also- where to buy explosion-proof fans? I've always used a simple 'squirrel cage' but want something better that will last. Thanks in advance, guys!

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Explosion proof fans are going to set you back a ton of money. Why not use fans that push the air through your booth rather than pulling it through. Are you planning on having the compressor in the paint booth with you also? If you are, that is a potential ignition source. While the ac motor is probably induction and produces no spark, the pressure cutoff switch is another story.

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Old 09-17-2003, 11:33 AM
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The compressor will be located outside the booth in the shop area/ the booth will be pretty much a sealed area.
I've seen the fans w/the louvered shroud and they do run about $450... I would not want to force air into the booth, just exhaust. I'm afraid that would create more problems with all the turbulence, plus when it's cold I don't want that cooler air entering the booth.
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Old 09-17-2003, 11:43 AM
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Re: Opinions on new garage/shop

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I'm building a new 'Dream' garage/shop- just what I can afford-( not too fancy)! 30x50 w/3 Overhead Doors, Office and restroom, one overhead will house a dedicated paint booth. Question is: most booths I've seen are 14x24- mine is planned at 13x23. Is there anybody with one who can give pros/cons on size? They have just started framing and now is the time to decide on actual interior walls. Also- where to buy explosion-proof fans? I've always used a simple 'squirrel cage' but want something better that will last. Thanks in advance, guys!
it'll be a smaller work area, so if you are working on big cars and such, you'll have less area to move around in ect. but a foot isn't alot. Just work on VW rabbits and you'll be fine

it's just nice while painting to have lots of work area around the car, so you arn't close to the just painted body and dragging hoses across it

friend has a garage that has a tarped off paint booth, it's only about 12" wide if that, and it works fine, and great work comes out of that garage
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Old 09-17-2003, 05:07 PM
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compressors sound best when they are outside. dont forget music, and a fridge! you already got the bathroom. lotsa light
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Old 09-18-2003, 12:35 AM
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Use some silicone calking to seal up all the holes on the fan motor. Don't forget the power cord hole also.And have the switch for the fan outside the room. This way no fumes will have a chance to get into someplace that has a high chance of sparking.
Use the same idea for all the lights also. Enclose them as bast as possable then use the calking on anything with holes. Switches are the highest source for sparks.
Put the power tools and plugs in the room on a seperate breaker than the compressor and the lights on a third. that way you can turn off everything in the room but the lights and compressor and be even safer. No accidental turning on of the buffers and such.
None of this will remove all possability of explosion but it will lower that chance quite a bit.

After that static electricity is pretty much all you'll need to worry about.
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Old 09-18-2003, 07:24 AM
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Thanks guys- I'm taking a lot of precautions as I want this to be the 'retirement shop'- May even insulate the small room the compressor is in. Plans are in for the 27"TV, piped music to each room, fridge and microwave- all the important stuff- and Oh Yeah, the tools will be organized into fabrication and body, cutting, welding,grinding, sanding and finishing, painting and upholstery, wiring and engine tools. I am also planning a safety box for masks, sheilds, gloves and such. Thanks for the heads up on switches. All sources of ignition will be seperate from the booth and I'll do my best to seal the room enough. I plan to turn off any heat with a 'master' control when I paint. Anything else??
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Old 09-18-2003, 09:50 AM
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Yea Dragon...talks cheap!!!!LOL!!!! It might be organized in the minds eye now but lets see this time next year. Just Kidding. Lets get some pics posted so we can build it along with you. I hope you are building one part of it tall enough to get a lift of some type in there. If not you will regret it later on. I know I do. I get down on the creeper it looks like a huge fight going on trying to get back up. The sad thing is the creeper usually wins 2 out of 3 matches. BTW...Senor-Limpio shoud have his fairly well along also. Hell I feel a need to go clean up my garage somewhat now!!!!

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Old 09-19-2003, 07:31 AM
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I know the feeling Kevin- nowdays I'm like a turtle on his back...!!! I am a pretty organized guy- the garage I'm in is in order- just so small that stuff is on top of stuff!!! They put the rafters up yesterday (in the rain!!) and will be starting windows and exterior today- I'm feeling like a new Daddy!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by pzatchok
[B]Use some silicone calking to seal up all the holes on the fan motor.

Wouldn't this cause the motor to overheat from lack of cooling?
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Greetings to all! This is my first post to Hotrodders.com and I really like the format and what I have read so far. I would like to add a few comments on this thread concerning a NEW shop. I just built a 50x50 here in East Texas and I am very proud of it.

First off consider 16' eaves. Here in East Texas it gets humid and HOT, the tall eaves helps keep the heat up above your head and the gray matter between our ears doesn't get so hot. It really keeps the shop cooler. And if you add a 4 or 2 post lift its even nicer.

Second, something most people don't consider is panel boxes for the electricity. I have installed a 250 AMP main box with most of my 220V breakers in it. Then installed 2 GE 120amp boxes. Without going outside and counting right now, I think both GE's have 20+ breaker spaces EACH. Without further detail, my lights don't dim when I turn something on, I can work on wiring without shutting the whole shop down and my elect bill runs about 14 bucks a month.

Best wishes and good luck,
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I'd say if you have the space and money, bigger is better. Having the clearance to ensure proper paint procedure plus a body is premium. I agree with dubz, you'll hate yourself later if the only thing you can paint is VWs. What about a separate circuit for heat lamps top and sides besides the required lights?
Glad you already mentioned all the safety gear, some people think they are invincible.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimfulco
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Use some silicone calking to seal up all the holes on the fan motor.

Wouldn't this cause the motor to overheat from lack of cooling?

I use two standard house-hold fans one blowing in and one out. Neither fan had any cooling vents in them so closing off the last little holes and cracks doesn't seem to make it much hotter after 5 hours of running. But you are right about closing off any cooling vents. If it has them then it more than likely needs them so I would try to find ones without any vents.
I had a flame up using a fan that had open holes in the motor. The gun went off close to the fan and poof instant flamethrower. Good thing the room was clean and no painting had been done reciently. I just don't like the idea of all those brushes inside of electrical motors sparking nearby when I'm in the room.
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is it impossible to get a brushless fan for painting

similar idea to computer fans?
i belive they are called shaded pole motors....
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Old 09-23-2003, 12:21 AM
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Nice piece of info.

I just looked up shaded pole motors and found quite a few nice sites and links. They were mainly industrial sites though.

I don't know that much about electrical motors and thought better safe than sorry. ( about the closing the holes up) I just can't see spending a few hundred on fans when you'll only use them for painting a few limited times a year. But thats just my cheap side coming out.
I'll have to go into and more detailed search for fans now maybe I can find some nice economical ones out there.
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