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original 67 327 turbo fire picture? pls help

My neighbor is selling he claims a 327 turbo fire with a powerglide trans out of a 67 camaro Z28 rs ss. I was wondering if you guys could shed some light on the pictures he sent me, shouldn't the color be orange? But more important you camaro fellas see the original components, he claims there is 70k on the engine and never been rebored. I am interested in purchasing it from him but is they away to verify if it has ever been rebored without pulling the head. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-04-2011, 10:27 PM
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The Camaro Z28 from 1967 to 1969 only came with a 302.
However it does appear the engine you have in the picture is a older engine from the point distributor that belongs in the trash to the older mounting brackets. Next is "Turbo - Fire" is just a catchy nick name for the small block line. It`s nothing special. Next is get the casting numbers off the drivers side of the engine on the bell housing flange then we can look up the casting numbers to see what it is. Next look on the block`s deck on the passengers side on the flat pad dead in front of the cylinder head and get the suffix code. It will look like this example: T1123THX. Get the code and we can tall you what the engine came in originally and what power level it had.
By the looks of the engine in my eyes it looks like someone had a nice collection of small block pieces laying around and they just slapped it all together with a coat of paint.
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He informed me it is not a Z28 it was just a 67 Camaro rs ss he says it is matching numbers original.
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Also, if it is in fact the original '67 Camaro engine then it most likely is a 327...but remember, the 350 was first introduced in '67 and only in the Camaro. The casting number on the l/r bellhousing area won't help either as the 302...327 and 350 used the same block at times during these years.
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Are there anyways to tell the difference between 302, 327, & 350 if they used the same blocks?
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Did you not read post #2....?
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front pad suffix, got it, thanks tech
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As said before...it isn't a 302, they are EXTREMELY rare, the '67 - '68 302's were 2 bolt blocks with a 4.00" bore and 3.00" stroke crank. The coveted '69 302 was a 4 bolt block. The 327 was a 4.00" bore and 3.25" stroke crank and no matter what anyone tells you they only came from the factory as a 2 bolt. The 327 had a small journal forged steel crank up to '67 then the '68 - '69 had large journal steel and cast cranks.

Now you can make your own 327 4 bolt by using a 350 4 bolt block with a large journal '68 '69 327 crank. The 350 is a 4.00" bore with a 3.48" stroke crank and there are millions of them. To answer your question, other than reading the front tab suffix numbers...if there are any you could pull the pan and check the crankshaft casting number, pull a valve cover to read the casting number on the head.

Since your engine is out I would pull the pan, that way you could see if it is 2 or 4 bolt main, check a couple of bearings and just get a visual idea on the condition of the engine. There are other idea's and ways to check these things......and ALWAYS remember, just because the seller says it is.... or has..... doesn't necessarily mean it does.
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My neighbor is selling he claims a 327 turbo fire with a powerglide trans out of a 67 camaro Z28 rs ss. I was wondering if you guys could shed some light on the pictures he sent me, shouldn't the color be orange?
That 327 engine had 8.75:1 CR, 2bbl/210 HP. The 929 cam had 195 int/202 exh duration, .390" int/.410 exh lift. It looks to be correct except the color- and yes it should be orange.

I wouldn't pay a premium for it having come from a Camaro- if it DID come from a Camaro- the same engine could be had in any number of Chevrolets that year. I suppose it might be worth something extra to a restorer, but having the base 2 bbl V8 wouldn't be a particularly desirable car. The suffix should be "ME" if it's from a Camaro.

Factory info on the '67 Camaro- http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/chevy/67cam/67cam.html

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The suffix should be "ME" if it's from a Camaro.
According to my Oct. 1966 Chevy Special Information Catalog a 1967 Camaro 327 with A.I.R. and a PG should have an "MN" code. That's straight from the General hisself but it also doesn't mean they didn't add some different codes after it was published. Most of what I see on the top end looks correct except the color. I recall 327 Camaros with the "283" script valve covers. As others have said though, unless you are restoring the specific Camaro it came out of it's nothing special.
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According to my Oct. 1966 Chevy Special Information Catalog a 1967 Camaro 327 with A.I.R. and a PG should have an "MN" code. That's straight from the General hisself but it also doesn't mean they didn't add some different codes after it was published. Most of what I see on the top end looks correct except the color. I recall 327 Camaros with the "283" script valve covers. As others have said though, unless you are restoring the specific Camaro it came out of it's nothing special.
Suffix "MN" is the '67 L30 275 HP engine, not the base 210 HP 2bbl engine.
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Suffix "MN" is the '67 L30 275 HP engine, not the base 210 HP 2bbl engine.
Then the 210HP must not have been used at the beginning of Camaro production in '66. My catalog doesn't list an "ME" code and only lists one 327 with A.I.R. and a PG and that's the "MN". It doesn't specify whether it's a 2 or 4 bbl. or the HP rating. This is an official General Motors publication that says "EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 1966".
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My catalog doesn't list an "ME" code and only lists one 327 with A.I.R. and a PG and that's the "MN". It doesn't specify whether it's a 2 or 4 bbl. or the HP rating. This is an official General Motors publication that says "EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1, 1966".
I cannot comment regarding your 'catalog', having never seen it. But- there IS another suffix for a 327/210 HP AT/PG engine with smog equipment (I take that to be w/A.I.R.), and that's the suffix "MF", which will be the correct suffix for the engine chevyrally68 asked about originally- not ME as I first said. Suffix "ME" is the 327/210 HP PG trans w/o smog.

Just do a search on line for "me suffix 1967 camaro" or the suffix of your choice. The MN suffix is as I stated above- the 275 HP 327- not the base 210 HP 327, that's for sure.
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A guy here has a-66/early 67 all original camaro that has 210hp 2bbl 327 engine.
I have that factory brochure and it does not say anything about 396bb
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A guy here has a-66/early 67 all original camaro that has 210hp 2bbl 327 engine.
I have that factory brochure and it does not say anything about 396bb
The 396 was made available 2 months after the intro, so that may explain the discrepancy.

FWIW- GM factory literature is prone to the same errors and time constraints as any printed info- like if something hadn't been used or wasn't available on a vehicle prior to the release of a particular publication, obviously the publication will not reflect the availability of said item.

The date a publication was printed can be months after the date of the document having been originally compiled, so the date of printing cannot be reliably used to determine the date an item or option, etc. became available. In the case of engines and power train options and equipment there is enough interest by enthusiasts to have done the research to determine things like the release dates, etc. and this is often done by finding access to and going through company documents not ordinarily released to the public.
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