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Old 08-24-2013, 07:31 AM
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Farmers don't plow their fields with a mule and a single blade plow any more either. Things change, times change. Canvas is heavier and more expensive than the synthetics, and once it starts to fail, there is no stopping it. Why look for another product to waterproof the canvas when you can have the waterproofing built into the fabric you make the enclosure from? Do you think Henry Ford used coil springs in his model "T" and "A" seats because they were the best quality thing to use? He used them because that's all there was. If he could have saved 25 cents by using something else, he would have used what was cheaper. I'm not arguing that properly cared for canvas can't last a long time, but so what? Why not use the best product for the job at hand, and in this case, most cases, that's not canvas.
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I like and use canves. But i bought a canves tarp years ago to use to make a jeep top. It was in a box and it wasnt cheap back then. I keep it under my bed and never used it. About 3 years went by and one day i took it out to look at it. It was rotted and were it was folded you could tear it. What happened?
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Canvas is made from natural fibers, cotton, linen, or hemp. If your canvas was lower quality and not treated with any preservative, the untreated natural fibers (especially hemp) will fail over time.
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Canvas???

Hi,if,youre only using this top 1 or 2 times a year,go to Harbor Freight and buy a silver tarp,if the nearest size is too big,buy the tarp rings.very cheap,$20.00 tops.replace as needed..........
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Go buy a 2 man tent for 40 bucks and throw it in the bed. Takes 5 minutes to pop up.
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I like and use canves. But i bought a canves tarp years ago to use to make a jeep top. It was in a box and it wasnt cheap back then. I keep it under my bed and never used it. About 3 years went by and one day i took it out to look at it. It was rotted and were it was folded you could tear it. What happened?
You bought a poor quality canvas that was probably bleached and not properly processed. Cost != quality. Look on ebay and do a search for M1928 pack, or Musette bag. These are 70+ year old canvas items that have been through war, storage, another war, more storage, and general abuse by owners and are in fine shape. When sunbrella is around for 70 years let me know The canvas top on my CCKW has been outside all year... and its fine. But its also been treated every 3 years. Even Sunbrella only comes with a 7 year warranty. So, like canvas, it *may* last longer... then why isn't it guaranteed for life... like 20 years? Use what you like... but I like canvas and natural fibers. If it wears out/rips so be it... I'll buy (or make) another one
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I've seen 10 year old navy tweed Sunbrella used as a Bimini top on a pontoon boat and left out in the sun for all ten summers, with a hole in it eaten by mice. I bought a 1/2 yard of the same fabric and it matched perfectly to the 10 year old top. Can your canvas do that? And don't tell me it can, because it can't. Do you really think the Army would have used canvas for musette bags and packs in WWII if other choices would have been available? While I admire your allegiance to canvas, there are far better and cheaper choices that don't need to be re-treated every three years. We'll have to agree to disagree on this subject.
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Canvas can be repaired.... sometimes not having a perfect match for repair is a benefit... not a detriment. I understand that you have a commercial background and appearance is your lifeblood, but in many circles an original patch/repair is more important than matching colors. Nylon was readily available in the 30s/40s but was reserved for things that needed it... like parachutes and rigging. Cotton duck was used as it was the standard at the time. Like Sunbrella is now. Cotton duck is still used now for many high end products. The 70's was proof that natural fibers are much better for some things than plastics. Are we done beating this dead horse?
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I was done when I said we'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. I can see where a patch that doesn't match the original would be a big advantage to everybody but me. Sure there are good reasons to use natural fibers for certain things, this cover for the back of a truck just isn't one of them.
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Go buy a 2 man tent for 40 bucks and throw it in the bed. Takes 5 minutes to pop up.
I think I'd pursue this idea a little bit. They go up quick and store quick and I'll bet your ride would look a whole lot better going down the road without a home made enclosure sticking out the back.
Or, think ripstop nylon. About $7.00/yard

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