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Old 06-11-2003, 07:55 AM
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Outlaw 4 Cylinder Engine Choices

Outlaw 4 Cylinder Engine Choices
http://www.quad4rods.com

John Ehrlich at Quad 4 ( Altech Precision) now has carbureted and stand-alone ignition ( No Computer! ) conversion parts for the new all-aluminum Ford-Cosworth Duratec "Ranger" dohc engines and the Zetec "Focus" engines. John also makes bellhousings and driveline adapters too. These are very similar to his street rod GM Quad 4 conversion parts shown on his website.

There are two stock versions of the 200 pound Duratec...a 2.0 and a 2.3 displacement with an available sleeve to boost displacement to 2550 cc. The Zetec Focus engine is a 2.0 liter and does not share the natural performance capability of the Duratec. The Zetec has been in use since the mid-90s while the Duratec was introduced into the 2002 Ford Ranger trucks. In addition, the Duratec is in limited production for some of the Focus models in 2003 and will replace the Zetec in 2004. Ford and it's subsidiary companies will use the Duratec engine in more applications once it's production is increased to projected numbers...over a million made per year. There is even an experimental supercharged version... http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/news/model_u.html

Write me for details regarding the availability of Duratec or Zetec engines suitable for street or for racing.

Thanks and regards,
Gerry Dedonis dedonis@kans.com

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Hum,

I thought we were here to ask questions about motors.

NOT advertise our business
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Hmm, sure looks like advertising to me! This is a forum for helping people solve automotive problems, not try to sell stuff. We have Ebay for that. If you have any questions or problems, we would be glad to help you out!
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Accept My Apology?

I'm sorry if I offended anyone by posting information about new engine components or services. As there is not a specific forum for anything "new" (perhaps I missed seeing it?), I felt that the Engine forum would be the best place to spread the news.

A hotrodder with a lightweight car now has the option for a lightweight modern engine that is fuel injected with an engine management system or a conversion option back to a traditional carburetor and ignition. New transmission and driveline choices too.

My apologys!
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Gerry

PS...I have NO financial interest in Altech Precision, Quad 4 Rods. I am simply posting the information for a fellow hotrodder and enthusiast, John Ehrlich.
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Don't want no stinkin 4 cylinder in a street rod. Gotta be V8 powered.

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Oh another one of you "only a V8ers"...

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Don't want no stinkin 4 cylinder in a street rod. Gotta be V8 powered.

Vince
Heh Heh Heh. Boy are you going to be shocked. Same horsepower and less than half the weight of a V8! Wanna go for performance?

1000 h.p. Drag Car...NHRA Compact Drags
http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2002/news/110601.html

Supercharged Duratec...
http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/news/model_u.html

Circle Track Engine...
http://www.circleperformance.com

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I didn't say they weren't fast. Lets just see how long one of those high strung 4 cylinders last in a street driven street rod.

Vince
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A four cylinder has much less reciprocating weight than a V8. Less weight means less strain. Two rods must share the same crankshaft journal on a V8 whereas an inline has one rod per journal. The Duratec 2.3 is a "stroker" with a 3.7 inch crankshaft. It is held in place with a main stud girdle and tucked safely away in the skirted block design. At 5800 rpm ( the lift limits of the stock cams) it is only loafing. Cosworth designed this engine to operate at 12,000 rpm! Even the race engines listed above are spinning less than 8000 rpm.

Consider too that a 200 pound all-aluminum Duratec needs less chassis to support the weight of a conventional 500 pound V8. Less weight to stop means smaller brakes are necessary and lighter suspension components. A light, weight-balanced car means better handling. I like corners just as much as the straight-aways.

Come on now...a true hotrodder thinks outside of the box. Anyone can drop a big V8 into their ride. Sure, plenty of power if it is built correctly but not much challenge unless you like following thousands of others doing the same thing. I like the fact when I pay my insurance that my car only has four cylinders. I don't have to tell them the horsepower or torque numbers.

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Come on now...a true hotrodder thinks outside of the box. Anyone can drop a big V8 into their ride. Sure, plenty of power if it is built correctly but not much challenge unless you like following thousands of others doing the same thing. I like the fact when I pay my insurance that my car only has four cylinders. I don't have to tell them the horsepower or torque numbers.


I didnt like someone "plugging" an ad on here but I do like the way you think.
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Cool cool

my bro in law brought a 1.8l 4 banger ford motor over to work on, to put in his mazda protege. he wants to build a rice killer with a ford engine,(ford mazda kia and i dont know who else use the same engine and tranny. note on tranny..... they DO have different splines on the drive shafts)
I'd think i'd rather put in one o' them dohc jobbers by cosworth. they ARE the *****. wrap that 4 banger up like a coiled spring and dump the clutch......
I'd build a kart around one........
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1337, 2.3 liters of joy.
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I like the fact when I pay my insurance that my car only has four cylinders. I don't have to tell them the horsepower or torque numbers.
lol, that's half the fun, huh?
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Just jerking your chain Gerry, I can appreciate a good running 4 cylinder as much as a V8. I do however prefer the sound of a strong V8 over the buzz of a hi po 4 cylinder.

Vince
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No offense taken on my end. I have absolutely no grudge against anyone's choice for engines, street rods, hot rods, race cars, motorcycles, bicycles, unicycles, roller skates, etc. Hey not even against someone's choice in footware!

However, I am offended when individuals put down someone's choice. Isn't freedom the true essence of a hotrodder? There is a thread in the open forum "Hotrodder's Lounge" condemning the so-called "ricers" and instucting them on how to post. I am surprised that such bigotry is actively promoted and tolerated. Of course I'm not surprised because that same attitude surfaced when overhead valve engines displaced the flat-head hot rod engines in the late 50s and 60s. The so-called purists condemned the OHV engine. The same happened for full-bodied cars...hot rods with fenders.

OK, enough. I now return this thread to it's scheduled programming.

Regards,
Gerry Dedonis
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