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Why though Bob and Hardfreight.... Why does it look better than a bc/cc?? and why does it hold up better?? or am i getting confused here?? I know ss has it place, namely a boat motor for one, or airplanes as i have read... so what is the difference that makes it so?? This fall I helped someone paint black and I added in base with the clear and when it was right I added 2 more coats of regular clear.... thing looked beautiful, but I did not have anything to really compare it to as far the base mixed in and one not at the time... Someone give me the lowdown
BK, BC/CC black is darker and deeper looking than singlestage, I've proven it to myself a few times. Take a good sized test panel and shoot the whole thing with single stage black, colorsand and buff till you think it can't be perfected any more, now mask off half that panel to protect it from overspray and spray the other half with two or three coats of clear followed by colorsanding and buffing to perfection. When you unmask the first half you will definately see the cleared side is darker and deeper and they have a different shine all together. This is really apparent on brown shade blacks if you add clear each coat makes it darker/blacker. There's pros and cons to both, easy chip repair on the singlestage. A little more surface durability with a clearcoat.



Lately it's all been bc/cc metalics for me. The neighbor has a 66 Mustang fastback that he's been waiting for me to paint, solid red and he purchased Chroma One already so that one will get a singlestage job this spring and I'll probably shoot two coats, sand, shoot one more coat then two more mixed 50/50 with clear. Bob

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BK, BC/CC black is darker and deeper looking than singlestage, I've proven it to myself a few times
Ok so now I am confused... why then does someone opt for the ss vs the base coat?? Is it old mind set?? We all know how easy it is to work with clear, and if it is darker and deeper then I just dont get it... I have added the base to the clear for a deeper look, like I said dont know if it made a difference or not..

Got someone wanting me to redo a nolva they drag race... it is black with bc/cc.. very bad paint job... I talked to the guy this morning and he is wanting price quote... trying to decide on bc/cc or ss to look the best for him... He is a life long friend and the car is his dads..
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Years ago there was only one black and it was a true black. Now there are several with other tints.
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Back in the 70's I painted 3 of my own vehicles with Centari acrylic enamel. Very easy to paint and the shine was beautiful on all of them. These were my own vehicles and I kept them for quite a few years. It always seemed that the gloss went out of the paint job within 1 to 2 years. Single stage paint to me is very nice for the first 3 or 4 months but it fades fast.

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Back in the 70's I painted 3 of my own vehicles with Centari acrylic enamel. Very easy to paint and the shine was beautiful on all of them. These were my own vehicles and I kept them for quite a few years. It always seemed that the gloss went out of the paint job within 1 to 2 years. Single stage paint to me is very nice for the first 3 or 4 months but it fades fast.

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I would think there would be a big difference between single-stage acryllic enamel and single-stage acryllic urethane.
That PPG Deltron DAU single-stage black on my El Camino shines just the same after 8 years now.

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Thats prob the reason ppg did away with dau ,it lasted too long! (LOL)

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I watched Overhaulin where they did Chip Fooses personal Ford pickup. Anyway they used a single stage black finish and it looked shiney and rich as hot tar. What do you think? I never hear much talk about single stage (except that it's old tech)
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Just for your information they used a SINGLE STAGE URETHANE. I say that because some people will say SINGLE STAGE which can be Lacquer, Enamels, or Urethanes for a definition.

Dejavu, am curious as to how many forums you've asked this question on besides here? That is an interesting name, Dejavu.
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4455

http://www.chevytalk.org/threads/sho.../0#Post1431796

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Thats prob the reason ppg did away with dau ,it lasted too long! (LOL)

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I think they got rid of DAU because of VOC requirements.

Concept ss urethane and Global DG ss urethane I'm sure are very similar to the DAU with a little different mixing ratios.

And, btw, I just used Global DG and found I had to use a little more reducer than specified to get it to flow out well. I didn't have to do that with DAU.

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BondoKing wrote

"Ok so now I am confused... why then does someone opt for the ss vs the base coat??"
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Here is my reason, With the SS Paint, the paint to me appears to be more
natural in look, It can have a deep shine and lustre that you cant get with
BC/CC

When you look at a good SS Job the shine and color are one. On a BC/CC
job atleast most I have seen, the color is below a clear so its kind of like
looking through a window to see the color.

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Ok so now I am confused... why then does someone opt for the ss vs the base coat?? Is it old mind set?? We all know how easy it is to work with clear, and if it is darker and deeper then I just dont get it... I have added the base to the clear for a deeper look, like I said dont know if it made a difference or not..

Got someone wanting me to redo a nolva they drag race... it is black with bc/cc.. very bad paint job... I talked to the guy this morning and he is wanting price quote... trying to decide on bc/cc or ss to look the best for him... He is a life long friend and the car is his dads..
BK if this is a car that will get neglected, typical drag car that won't get treated well then go with a singlestage black, this way the scratches won't show up white like a bc/cc job.
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Just for your information they used a SINGLE STAGE URETHANE. I say that because some people will say SINGLE STAGE which can be Lacquer, Enamels, or Urethanes for a definition.

Dejavu, am curious as to how many forums you've asked this question on besides here? That is an interesting name, Dejavu.
http://www.autobody101.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4455

http://www.chevytalk.org/threads/sho.../0#Post1431796

Just a coincidence I have never been on those forums, and I mostly view here because i don't have the level of expertise necessary to add anything of value. DEJAVU was the name my car (a 66 Mustang) was given back in the 70's when it broke 100k and the ODO went back to 000000 and the name just stuck
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I think most people opt for a single stage paint like enamel because of price.
Enamel is a lot cheaper, and if you add a hardener it's pretty durable.
And you don't need a clear coat so that saves a bunch too.
I can buy a gallon af acrylic enamel for under $50.00.
I pay that much and more for a quart of basecoat, and I have to clear it.
Money, that's the main incentive.
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really confused now....

ok im starting to look into paint to re-paint my ride..... now my question is (please be easy on me, it may just be called something diffent in the UK)..... But what the hell is Single Stage? i have never heard of it before? i may be being a dumb *** but i have never heard of it before....


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Single-stage are all the paints that are not basecoat/clearcoat systems.

Could be lacquers, enamels, or urethanes.
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okay.... still alittle confused...

right now i have to hang my head in shame again.....
but what are basecoat/clearcoat systems? im not very good on the paint subject

MiniMiniTrucker

(sorry if my questions are alittle off subject of this thread, im just not sure about what people mean when they talk about paints, sorry again)


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