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Old 01-30-2006, 06:25 AM
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Overhaulin used a single stage black?

I watched Overhaulin where they did Chip Fooses personal Ford pickup. Anyway they used a single stage black finish and it looked shiney and rich as hot tar. What do you think? I never hear much talk about single stage (except that it's old tech)
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Personally I have to say that I like the look of black single stage, I try not to use single stage much myself,, but when I do something black I have to think about it.. There are some really nice single stage paints out there, you dont' have to rule it out, I have a friend that has a shop and he will use it any chance he can.. it tends to be more durable anyways.. Myself I pretty much stick to bc/cc unless like i said i'm doing something in black
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I watched Overhaulin where they did Chip Fooses personal Ford pickup. Anyway they used a single stage black finish and it looked shiney and rich as hot tar. What do you think? I never hear much talk about single stage (except that it's old tech)
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I used PPG DAU Single Stage Black on my El Camino SS.
Take a look:

http://hotrodders.com/gallery/showga...0/ppuser/17782

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Centari works

Single stage DuPont Centari works very nicely. Color sanded down thru 1500 - 2000 paper, then hit with the various Meguire's pro level products (Mirror Glaze), looks great. I've
done a couple cars this way and have always had compliments - and I am only a hobby painter.
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I've tried a few different black single stages.. the omni, utech, ppg dau i think it's dau.. also fullthane.. my favorite has always been the utech 200 line.. seems to always work good.. I used it on the triumph that's in my album if you want to check it out..
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Thanks guys I was shying away from using a single stage on my project but your results are great. Chad what was your final steps to get that gloss?
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Thanks guys I was shying away from using a single stage on my project but your results are great. Chad what was your final steps to get that gloss?
1. - Wet sand w/1000
2. - Wet sand w/1500
3. - Buff with 3M Imperial Microfinish compound with a wool pad.
4. - Buff with 3M Finesse-It II compound with a wool pad.
5. - Apply 3M Perfect-It III Finishing Glaze with a D/A and foam Pad

Clean water and a clean pad are assential.

If you have laid down the paint really flat then skip step 1.

This is the old way to do it but I tried the entire Perfect-It III system and it didn't work near as well for me on my Single Stage jobs.

Make sure you know how to use a polisher with a wool pad. One wrong move, and you can go thru your paint. You got to watch the direction on the pad so you don't grab an edge.
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I used PPG DAU Single Stage Black on my El Camino SS.
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Nice Elky. Good looking paint and the LT1's hot!
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This summer I spotted a 70 dodge rt 440 conv I did 22yrs ago .Painted it with single stage deltron . Car still looked fantastic,it looked so good I thought someone else must of got their hands on it. I found the owner (original 1 owner car) and he told me he has been winning shows with it all this time.

I started looking the car over real good and yes I found some of my flaws from 22 yrs ago along with a nasty looking finish on the trunk.Later in the conversation he told me he dented it and couldnt locate me and had another shop fix it.
This spring i'll be fixing it for him .Looks like heavy urethane waves/ peel.

I have used ss solids whenever I can just because you can block them down(even years later) and get little flaws out that would show up on a bc/cc system.(jmo)

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Hardeight, I gotsta agree with you on the results old DAU can achieve. I did quite a bit of work with it in the late 80's and early 90's that to this day still look almost fresh. Most of the time I panel painted the cars in pieces then assembled, did a final sand with 600 and sprayed 2-3 more coats when assembled followed by colorsanding and buffing after some cure time. DAU isn't available in this area anymore. Bob
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Bob your freekin me out, thats how I did them also .3 coats ,block, 3 more then sand/buff. They seemed to come out flatter that way.
And I thought I was the only satist on the sanding block (pun intended)

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DAU isn't available in this area anymore. Bob
DAU has been discontinued and replaced with Concept DCC.

PPG Global Direct Gloss is another choice and has a broader range of color codes available.

I couldn't get DCC in the Daytona Yellow for my Corvette so I went with Global DG for that.
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i've used single stage since the days of enamel. black always looks deeper. reds turn orange when you buff now days but i use to use single stage red. centari enamel was my all time favorite. still is if i can find it.

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Why though Bob and Hardfreight.... Why does it look better than a bc/cc?? and why does it hold up better?? or am i getting confused here?? I know ss has it place, namely a boat motor for one, or airplanes as i have read... so what is the difference that makes it so?? This fall I helped someone paint black and I added in base with the clear and when it was right I added 2 more coats of regular clear.... thing looked beautiful, but I did not have anything to really compare it to as far the base mixed in and one not at the time... Someone give me the lowdown
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Thanks guys I was shying away from using a single stage on my project but your results are great. Chad what was your final steps to get that gloss?
Basically I sanded it with 1500 then 2000. Then i think i even hit it wth 2500 cause it was black..

I used the perfectit ll rubbing compound on with wool then once with a yellow foam.
then i used the perfectit ll foam pad polishing stuff with a black foam pad..

I didn't do it on this one but something i've been doing lately is keeping some wizards shine master around and appying it with a black foam pad, it gives it a totally new luster... just keep a black foam pad laying around just for the wizards. it's not the same if you use the same pad..

actually I dumped the whole perfectit line for the system one. I like that system better.. but i still hit something nice with the wizards when i'm done..
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