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Old 12-15-2012, 03:19 PM
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I was told by a Ford dealer that they reused whell brg grease. He told me that rather than admit that he lied on the waranty claim that they replaced brgs on both sides

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Expanding on 632 mantis' reply, I've noticed that cars are designed to be assembled, not repaired. I had to pull the entire sub-frame off a camry to change a clutch because some idiot didn't design an extra 2" clearance between the trans & body.
You are exactly right.
New cars are not designed to be repaired.

I am suprised about the Camry issue. Toyota is usually better than that with their stuff.
I seen many newer vehicles with very hard to access OIL FILTERS.
Seriously? The oil filter is something that gets changed frequently. Yet, they bury that sucker. Some even require special tools.

It's all in the name of greed. Car companies really don't want the owner doing ANY work on it themselves.
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You are exactly right.
New cars are not designed to be repaired.

I am suprised about the Camry issue. Toyota is usually better than that with their stuff.
I seen many newer vehicles with very hard to access OIL FILTERS.
Seriously? The oil filter is something that gets changed frequently. Yet, they bury that sucker. Some even require special tools.

It's all in the name of greed. Car companies really don't want the owner doing ANY work on it themselves.
haha, try to do a filter and fluid change on some trans axles, to get to the filter you have to split the case..(open the trans up)

I don't think it so much as greed,
it's more, I'm warranty'n this for 100k/5-10 years, I don't want any smucks hands on it.. and I can't say I blame them.. there are some great shops, and there are some "winnars"
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um, nope, rotors are not cheaper.. when your a customer thats paying someone to do the brakes.. they pay list price+mark up..
Thanks to "global sourcing" you can buy some very inexpensive brake rotors, but the question remains ... "should you"?

Another thing that we have "global sourcing" and Automakers manufacurers to thank for:

Prior to around 2000, companies like Wagner and Raybestos used to produce and stock drums and shoes for vehicles that were 60 years old. Part of the reason, IMO, is that there were FAR less number of SKU's, as drums and rotors were both carried over from year-to-year ... even decades in some instances.

Now (let's use a 2007 Dodge Charger or even a late-model domestic pickup truck for example) there are multiple possibilities within one model year!

The automakers keep changing the specs and therefore the number of SKU's, possibly in an attempt to keep one step ahead of the offshore imitators.

It's this rapid increase in the number of SKU's AND the erosion of sales and profitability that is driving this early obsolescence. Trust me ... having inventory on the shelves just to serve the "bread and butter" market is awfully expensive, even at the parts store level.

Then there is the "good, better, best" philosophy where the consumer expects to have choices. Guys with $80,000.00 Cowboy Cadillacs that want to install $35.00 rotors???

We won't even stock a cheap rotor or pads for anything bigger than a 1/2-ton or anything with a diesel engine.

Honestly ... I had a guy come in with a 3-year old (2010) Dodge R3500 6.7 Diesel with a back-hoe on a trailer ... and he was chapped because the CHEAPEST pads that we had in stock were $120.00.

Sorry pal, the cheapie-china orgasmics aren't going to slow you down with that kind of weight, and I'm doing you a favor by refusing to sell them!
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When I work on my vehicles front ends and removing a rotor is nessesary i always clean the bearigs of old grease with gas diesel or varsol and dry them with air. Sometimes for fun I would let them spin into hyperspace lol. I check for heat marks and cracked cages and races. If its still good ill repack them and put them back in. Ive never had any problems.
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Expanding on 623 mantis' reply, I've noticed that cars are designed to be assembled, not repaired. I had to pull the entire sub-frame off a camry to change a clutch because some idiot didn't design an extra 2" clearance between the trans & body. My friends agree with me that engineers should be required to spend 3-5 years as mechanics first, then ,I bet, a lot of things would be better designed.
The beginning of the end was way back when they started manufacturing cars w/o zirk fittings in the tie rod ends, etc.

Yes- clean all grease first, then repack bearings. One of the handiest tools I own is a bearing 'packer'. It gets 99%, I go through afterwards and work in a little more "just because" and to make double sure there's no air pockets. Don't reuse seals.
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I will not put a moving part on any of my vehicles that doesnt have a grease fitting. If you can keep grease in the joints they will last and you wont have to replace them. Vehicles aee built these days as a throw away vehicle after 10 years cause usualy in that time framw they get trases in on another pile of plastic parts or get wreaked and totaled out. Vehicles being built now are actualy safer that I agree with. Howwver it doesnt take much to total one out cause of the crumple zones. Im one of the younger generation and do like the looks of some of the newer vehicles but I enjoy my 94 c1500 regular cab step side.
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