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dirtyfingers 10-09-2012 10:26 PM

paint ?
 
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am working on my stepside and as I work I check out other paint jobs that look good. Found this picture and im sold'' Can any one tell me how he did this? Black with highlights, think it's called black cherry.Want to do the same thing but use house of collor, manderin orange in place of brandywine. Can any one help? thanks, dirtyfingers

69 widetrack 10-09-2012 10:53 PM

Sure Can. House of Kolour has many formulas for a candy colour paint job. This is achieved by putting down a base colour, in this case probably black, after the base has flashed a mid coat of transparent "red" or "Orange" or whatever is applied. This is the tricky part because the mid coat or the transparent coat needs to be put on evenly over the entire vehicle. Failure to do this will give you an uneven colour in certain parts of the paint job. When I do these I generally walk the car as I'm spraying, paying close attention to the overlap of my spray pattern to assure an even coat. When the mid coat has flashed, I apply the clear coat, usually 4 - 5 coats depending on the depth I am trying to achieve and to give me enough product for colour sanding and polishing.

Paint is expensive, House of Kolour is no different. PPG has a palette of many cool colours usually found in the "Vibrance" line. If you have a specific effect you are looking for, find a good Jobber, be it PPG or what ever company your going to use.

If you need more information let me know and I will do my best to walk you though it in more detail. Might even be able to give you information on dyes to use in your mid coat to get the effect you are looking for.

Best
Ray

dirtyfingers 10-10-2012 08:02 AM

thank's for the answer. how much of a mid coat,light spray,wet ? And do ,or can you put kandy consitrate in clear to give it more depth,or is this what you are calling the mid coat? Im assuming when you said transparent this would be clear with kandy mixed in.

69 widetrack 10-10-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyfingers (Post 1597852)
thank's for the answer. how much of a mid coat,light spray,wet ? And do ,or can you put kandy consitrate in clear to give it more depth,or is this what you are calling the mid coat? Im assuming when you said transparent this would be clear with kandy mixed in.

As far as mid coat, before you apply the mid coat lay down a test panel, apply one coat, mask it off, two coats, mask it of, three coats, mask it off, four coats, mask it off and then remove the masking paper and clear the panel. Look at the test panel in the sun light and choose which effect you like. Apply the mid coat to the car at the same speed and gun set up. Clear the the car and you've got your candy effect.

I would not put the candy colour in the clear coat, you would loose your depth in the paint job and if you ever get in an accident or a chip, repairing your paint job is extremely difficult. The mid coat is achieved by putting a dye or a small amount of a transparent toner in a clear and transparent product compatible with the original ground base. In PPG Deltron the part number is DBC500.

timothale 10-10-2012 09:07 AM

black cherry
 
Back in the late 50's a kid I went to High school with painted his car black cherry and dyed his hair to match.

dirtyfingers 10-10-2012 09:09 AM

Ok I got it, nothing in the clear,test for the right effect, but im still a little unclear[pun], as to get the right mid coat mix.

69 widetrack 10-10-2012 09:32 AM

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Ok I got it, nothing in the clear,test for the right effect, but im still a little unclear[pun], as to get the right mid coat mix.

This is where picking your paint supplier is so important. I've worked at supplier's where the guy behind the counter couldn't care less and the at places where the guy would bend over backwards for his customers. Often it's a direct reflection on management. I know which guy I'd hire.

A good paint jobber will either know what you want or will get the information to you. Most paint companies have the products you need. I'm not trying to preach PPG, but they have a wide palette of options for you with dyes and toners. From product lines like Deltron, Global and Envirobase (Water Bourne). Less money than House of Kolor with great effect. Nexa and Dupont have these products available also. It all comes down to your paint supplier. They can get it, they have formulas, if they don't they can make it. It's how hard will they try for you. If you came to my store (I don't have one but if I did) I'd make it for you. When I was a rep I did it many times, did it because I enjoyed it, and made lots of life long friends.

69 widetrack 10-10-2012 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by timothale (Post 1597861)
Back in the late 50's a kid I went to High school with painted his car black cherry and dyed his hair to match.

We finally found the first "Punk Rocker".

dirtyfingers 10-10-2012 10:23 AM

I didn't know guys dyed hair in 50. And I will ask about the makeup of the mid coat from paint dealer rep. The only reason I looked at house of colour is I can't find apaint that looks like manderin orang kandy that thay have. It comes in consitrates and I didn't know if you make your mid coat with it. Im just a guy that has painted base coat clear coat, so im new at this. I also was told that the consintrates can be used with any paints. I was going to H.O.K. kandy with diferent brand system.

69 widetrack 10-10-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dirtyfingers (Post 1597881)
I didn't know guys dyed hair in 50. And I will ask about the makeup of the mid coat from paint dealer rep. The only reason I looked at house of colour is I can't find apaint that looks like manderin orang kandy that thay have. It comes in consitrates and I didn't know if you make your mid coat with it. Im just a guy that has painted base coat clear coat, so im new at this. I also was told that the consintrates can be used with any paints. I was going to H.O.K. kandy with diferent brand system.

House of Kolor makes a great product, I've used it many times. All I'm saying is explore your options. Dupont has "Hot Hughes" excellent product but a little limited in colour selection, and I'm looking at my PPG colour chip binder called "Vibrance Collection". Just take a little time to speak to the paint suppliers in your area, if they are worth their salt, they will get you or make for you exactly what you want and at the same time you will get a good idea as to which paint supplier is going to help you the most.

As far as concentrates go, most have a similar version of what H of K has. PPG uses a universal dye system that works in all their products including water base. Yes the concentrate in H of k should be able to be used in any paint, but, before I'd buy the concentrate or "dye" I would explore your paint suppliers. If you don't have a gram mixing scale how much you put in one time may not be exactly what you put in the next, changing your colour, costing you a pile of money and time in starting over.

If you check my posts, I always preach, SUPPLIER, SUPPLIER, SUPPLIER.

dirtyfingers 10-10-2012 12:36 PM

ok that answers all my questions,Im going to let the experts have it.I have a PPG rep. 45 min. from me in fort wayne In. Not ready,but if I don't get my answers ,when I am, murffys law wil kick in. Thanks for all the help.

69 widetrack 10-10-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyfingers (Post 1597922)
ok that answers all my questions,Im going to let the experts have it.I have a PPG rep. 45 min. from me in fort wayne In. Not ready,but if I don't get my answers ,when I am, murffys law wil kick in. Thanks for all the help.

Glad I could help, any other questions feel free to look me up. Always interested in keeping old cars on the road.

All the Best.
Ray


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