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Old 10-18-2004, 03:13 PM
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first time user so sorry if this question has been asked before.
i'm very curious about flat black paint. is the most common way is to use a flattener? know mostly what about sanding and care after the paint has been applied,as far as waxing and sanded is clear used? thanks

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I'm curious about this question!!

So I'm going to watch the replys and see whats what?? Thanks for posting this question dude!!


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It just depends what you want and how nice the car is!

If cheap is what you want do John deer black.
Better- use an acrylic enamel with activator and flattener.
Best- use base and add flattener to clear.

Here is an S600 that was stolen from a Doctor while he went into store to buy CIGARETTES! I was setting in the parking lot and so was a cop at the same time and the guy hit a tree running from the cop and totaled the car. I bought it a couple of years ago. I based the whole car than used flattener in the clear on the bumpers and bottom side panels.
These bumpers have 50% flattener added because new there was no shine at all. The camera flash and sun is playing havoc on
the bumper but the bumper paint will last a long time. Better - as I sold it to my neighbor.
I should add by using clear you can wetsand and buff and easier to keep clean.

http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com...s/P1010051.JPG

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i have a 53 ford f-100 been working on it for about five years
so i'm wanting it to look nice. and if i do go with the flat black i am planning on doing the traditional gloss flames.
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Well being a Ford man also as you can tell by the Y-Bock in the picture, I vote for base clear, the 53 deserves the best and it will be easier to do a neater flame job over the clear.
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Old 10-20-2004, 01:56 PM
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novice... so I'm confused.

So, I'm thinking about painting my car flat black as well. The grey car in the picture. (that's just an epoxy coat I put on to make it all 1 color, well 2 if you count the vinyl top ).

But I'm confused now. So if I paint my car flat black, which is usually what I think of as the matte type finish, wouldn't a "clear" over that cause it to be glossy looking? What do I need to do to just paint a matte-type black finish? I'm guessing some primer and then a top-coat that is matte black?

The only paint I've shot is what you see in my picture, though, so please explain if you can.

I guess the main question is: is a matte-finish black the same as "flat-black" or are they 2 different terms? (I'm not down with the lingo, maybe)

Secondary question, then, is how do I go about doing a matte black finish?

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matte black and flat black mean the same thing however keep in mind that there are many different levels of gloss or lack there of. some matte or flat finishes might be less or more glossy than others. it really depends on the paint and the amount of flattener in it. you can add flattener to clearcoat which is what barry was explaining, in which case no, clear wont make the finish look glossy. everyone has there own preference and it depends on how much you want to spend. i am not a big fan of acrylic enamel and i stay away from it at all cost. i usually use basecoat/clearcoat but when i spray anything matte black i use acrylic urethane and add flattener to it. it has nearly the durablity of urethane clearcoat but its one step. i get it from www.smartshoppersinc.com. now, i'm not a fan of kirker products as a matter of fact i've never had luck with any of their stuff but i have to say that their ultra-glo acrylic urethane is really nice and its the right price, i think about $35 gal in black. get yourself a gallon with the hardener and a quart or two of flattener and your good to go.
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Ive talked to a few jobbers that have sold the Kirker for flat black
With good results.

Also keep in mind that you will have to play chemist as far as how much flattening agent to use. I used 50% but that was with a high solids, a medium solids will take less. Best way is mix a pint start with 25% spray a spot than add in 10% increments until you get the flatness you want. I would guess 30-35% will do what you want with that paint.

The Mercedes I was trying to paint so it did not look like it had been painted and did fair except I did have to buff one spot in roof (moth) and OH!, of course! front and rear bumpers had to be wet-sanded for trash and buffed. It did not give the bumpers any extra gloss at all so it worked out good.
I don't know if the single stage would buff or I should say what the results would be if you did.
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umm i think this is something like the question asked

but i was thinking about sanding my car down because the paint is chipping and fading , i think it was a macco paint job, but i was going to sand it and just prime it or maybe just the hood primer grey. if i dont put any other kind of paint on my car just the primer will the body still rust or will it be ok?
i wanted mostly to sand the hood down to get the paint off and then just primer it because that grey would look good with my cars color now. i have seen primer mustangs driving around but those cars where really fast so i never cought up to one to ask about his paint job.
umm basically what im saying is i want my car that dull praimer grey but im worryed that it might rust or something else from underneath the primer is this possable? sorry if im confusing i dont really dont know how to say it.
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you dont want to leave just primer on the car for a permanant paintjob. its ok temporarily but eventually you will need to paint it. if you want the flat primer look then use some of the suggestions above.
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look at my car...

I painted it with one of those epoxy based coats.

I wanted to make my car a single color for the time being, so that's what the guy recommended. The only downside was that grey was the only color they had.

it's held up great so far, I painted it 6 months ago and the only issue is a spot I didn't prep correctly. Sand the entire car down and you should be able to spray it with the epoxy coat. The epoxy coat is a good sealer, whereas a primer coat is hygroscopic (ie. absorbs moisture) so just using primer would not be a good rust-proof solution for a long-term coat.
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nice, thats the color i want. kinda looks like my paint now from the lighting but i know if it was a better pic it would be duller and greyer less blue looking. but i really do like that really dull primer grey look.
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