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Old 11-16-2009, 01:41 PM
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paint reputation good/bad/STAY AWAY?

I did a google search on paint kits for cars, as I had no idea what I needed to buy. I've learned a lot since that search, but wanted some opinions on a paint kit I was looking at getting.

BCCC paint kit
http://www.paintforcars.com/urethane...its_5star.html

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http://www.tcpglobal.com/restorationshop/rspubprod.aspx

both are close to the same price point, but I'm wondering...any good, is it junk, run the other direction?

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I am curious about the paintforcars link as I have run across them before as well.It's a good price if the product is any good.
Bump for a good question.
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I have to ask why you're considering purchasing paint over the internet when you live in Nashville. There are paint suppliers all over the place in good sized cities and their expertise can help you pick the right paint system based on the project you're working on. Do a yellow pages search for DuPont, House of Color, and PPG. Those three will give you more than enough paints to choose from. If you prefer just talk to your local Napa store. They carry Martin Senour which is another very good brand.

When you add shipping to an internet order you'll end up paying as much as you would have if you purchased your paint from a local jobber.

Good luck either way.
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even with shipping they beat what a local supplier can get me. You can sometimes find the same kit on ebay from these 2 suppliers for even cheaper than what they offer from the online store. I'd like some opinions on these kits.
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Old 11-17-2009, 09:34 AM
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What about knowledge when something goes awry or when you're in the middle of the project and you come up short on something? What do you do then?
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Old 11-17-2009, 10:55 AM
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I'v used acrylic enamel Restoration shop and it sprays nice, looks nice. there shipping is very reasonable.. my local jobber couldn't get close to the price even with the shipping. took a couple weeks to get it but it was custom matched
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Old 11-17-2009, 11:27 AM
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I would NEVER buy paint products over the net that I have no experiance with, NEVER. There are too many things that can go wrong, too many things left out, additives that you may find you need.

Buy from a local store and get the service and EVERYTHING you may need.

Save money buying something like a CD over the net, buy paint, and eye glasses locally.

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I used a TCP Global/Restoration Shop BC/CC kit for this paint job.

Shots before cut and buff:





And after cut and buff:





I'm not trying to set up an argument with the pros on here like MartinSr. They know their stuff and I have great respect for their long experience. But I think your choice depends a bit on skills and finances. I'm a novice at painting and I just wasn't willing to put a large amount of cash into top of the line materials when I knew full well I'd probably screw something up along the way. Probably MANY things.

I think as amateur painters get better and better they become more and more willing to move up the ladder in terms of quality and cost. And this seems like a wise strategy to me. As an example, I'm quite certain that the next paint I spray I'll be using Restoration Shop base but I'll be switching to a better clear, most likely Southern Polyurethane.

So I'm agreeing that under the right circumstances, Centerline, MartinSr and others are on target regarding good paints from local suppliers. But I also believe that there is a place for the less costly internet paints. I'm delighted with the outcome of my first venture with BC/CC. But the paint and the painter are far from perfect. And as I gain more skills I'll move to higher quality.
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I have to agree.. spend a little more an get it Local..You will be much happier in the end..
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Old 11-17-2009, 07:32 PM
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Well, I don't disagree with the opinions of the pros on this topic. Especially if you are not real familiar with all processes and additives. But I am going to try the Kustom Shop Rev-Illusion pearls for a flame job on a customers vehicle. He wanted Du Pont Chrome Illusion flames. Priced through local jobber at over 700.00. The Kustom Shop suff was 327.00 w shipping, for twice as much sprayable product. I'd love to support the local community and to be honest, the order was delayed and we will miss our target date of this weekend to paint. So, yes, there are some disadvantages, but for the cost savings... I gambled. Just was not comfortable spending that much $ on a first attempt. I also would like to add that the SPI Universal Clear rocks!! Barry is top notch on his customer support, and guess what? I buy his products online. ( And will not shoot any other clears or Epoxies )
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I'll agree that it is very nice to have a jobber in your area that you can trust, If they are knowledgeable on the products or won't sell you any old junk just to make a buck, or those times when something goes wrong and you need the ability to get more product in a hurry.

I'll have to disagree with not ever ordering paint online and the cost being the same from the local jobbers. I've been using spi Universal clear and their epoxy which is every bit is good if not better then what you get from ppg, dupont and other majors and the cost is a lot more pocket friendly. When Baker warehouse was still in operation, 2 days and it was on the door, and shipping was next to nothing.
Prospray base as well is just as good as dbc which I often used, and I'd say better then chromabase from what I remember (been awhile, but use to use it everyday way back when I still painted full time in a collision shop). Last 3 colors I've gotten where half the cost of dbc from the local supplier, and all covered pretty well. Match was very good except for one (nice to have ordered from a local supplier in this instance, but work get an aweful lot of poor color matches from the local supplier that have to be fixed). But sending a color sample if you order online from someone if you are dealing with a place you can trust could help to make sure its on before shipped. I've been ordering prospray and other products from chad (another member here) who is great to deal with, and had a large enough order last time he covered shipping.
While I normally would recommend getting to know your local jobber and ordering local, I don't buy that you can't save quite a bit of money and still get a pretty good product and that its such a bad idea to order online. When products you want aren't available local, then really have no choice. Saved quite a bit on the last couple jobs ordering online, and there is good product on the cars, even though its not one of the extra pricey major names.

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Kenseth Can you give me a link to Prospray, I have been buying base colors local. I would order base on completes on line if I had a good source. Sure wish SPI still had base colors available.
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35, You can contact Chad.S on SPI forum as he is a Prospray jobber/painter.
He's In Mich.and will hook you up clean.
It's really hard to beat a LOCAL jobber who KNOWS his stuff.
My local guy has been one of my mentors as well as a good friend and getting jobber pricing ain't bad either.
At least,I have "someone" to complain to "face to face" when it don't work out and what to do next.
Then,
You have the local "pro's" who come in and get accquainted with which are another valiauable "tool" in this fickle paint world.
You asked earlier about blending the Chromabase Prowler color,The locals are where I get the 411 on this type stuff as well as my jobber who was a painter before getting a counter (real) job.

I also miss SPI's base line,especally the SS stuff as it was some of the BEST going,BUT,I still have "some" of it left hehehe,and pester Barry about bringing it back "someday".Maybe,If WE hammer him enough about it,It could happen.

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yep, got my pro spray from chad s.
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results are in..

Well, Got flames and truck painted this weekend. Used Kustom Shop pearl and intercoat clear with SPI Universal Clear. I was very happy with the results. This was my first attempt at custom painting and may be my last!! There are two sets of flames on this, man it is VERY time consuming! Chris, the painter that assisted me on this project, said that he was impressed with these products and had experience with HOK stuff.
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