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cab 02-07-2007 09:30 PM

Painting in attached garage - smell and ISO's
 
I know a lot of you have painted in your garages (and still do). MY question has to do with the smell and safety. I am plannign to paint in my two car attached garage which shares one wall with my living room and another with my master bath. If I do the typical "drape with plastic" etc. what kind of "smell" and ISO creep am I looking at? Will the smell seep into the house, and if so is this somethign that will clear up in an hour or two? Do folks need to be out of hte house for maximum ISO safety. As you can imagine, my wife is a little anxious since I made the mistake of describing how dangerous ISO's are (i.e. as part of my explanation around why I needed to spend $500 on a Hobbyair unit).

Thanks,

Chris

new_rat_rodder 02-07-2007 09:40 PM

you should be fine if you have good ventilation. people are around paint fumes all the time in body shops. the worst thing is you might get a headache

adtkart 02-08-2007 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by new_rat_rodder
you should be fine if you have good ventilation. people are around paint fumes all the time in body shops. the worst thing is you might get a headache

New.... I don't know where you got that information but it is WRONG, BIG TIME!!!!! People that are around paint fumes all the time in body shops without safety precautions will pay for it eventually. ISO's are poison!

I know some people do it, but I would not paint in an attached garage. If you do, take serious safety precautions. If you have small pets or children, they would be effected by the ISO's earlier than an adult. The fumes can get in the house thru the door and HVAC venting. You need good ventilation to remove the fumes to the out doors.

Aaron

302 Z28 02-08-2007 05:23 AM

Adkart is "right on", ISO's are deadly. You need a rapid changeover of air, or a forced breathing air system. A cartridge type respirator will become saturated fairly quickly. When you start to smell it through your cartridge respirator you have already breathed in a large amount. IMO a box fan used for air exchange is woefully inadequate. The smell will permeate into the house no matter what precautions you take. I did all the premiering on my 34 in my garage and that alone told me that painting it there was out of the question. You also must take your neighbors into consideration also. Play it safe and rent or borrow the use of a paint booth for your health and your family's peace of mind.

Remember also that your lungs are not the only thing you need to protect. Also cover any exposed skin and wear rubber gloves.

Vince

Kim57 02-08-2007 09:17 AM

What about primering in the garage. Are primers as bad as paints?
Kim

shine 02-08-2007 11:13 AM

where do you get your information ? this just as bad as battery acid for cleaning metal. if you don't know the correct answer don't post some wild guess. iso's are deadly and any professional knows this. i do not know where you work but i would find a new job. as for painting in the garage i would suggest you check your city ordnances. in some places it is a hefty fine for shooting paint in a residential area.

dgcantrellsr 02-08-2007 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cab
I know a lot of you have painted in your garages (and still do). MY question has to do with the smell and safety. I am plannign to paint in my two car attached garage which shares one wall with my living room and another with my master bath. If I do the typical "drape with plastic" etc. what kind of "smell" and ISO creep am I looking at? Will the smell seep into the house, and if so is this somethign that will clear up in an hour or two? Do folks need to be out of hte house for maximum ISO safety. As you can imagine, my wife is a little anxious since I made the mistake of describing how dangerous ISO's are (i.e. as part of my explanation around why I needed to spend $500 on a Hobbyair unit).

Thanks,

Chris

Had a friend that painted out of a shop under his house, he used all the precautions in his shop,ex fan, mask, for himself.
Now after approximately 15 years his wife died of cancer, she was in the house above his shop most of the time, So I would think the fumes was probably just like (second hand smoke). And time took it's toal.
I would advise against it.

Irelands child 02-08-2007 12:38 PM

I'm forced to paint in my attached 2 car garage. My usual body shop gave me that old litany of "insurance regulations, blah, blah, blah...." - I think he's upset that I wont let him paint my car, but his guys are R&R production people and do so-so insurance jobs with mediocre painting skills. There is no rental paint booth and darn few independent body shops as most are connected to dealerships.

I have a big commercial exhaust fan, a supplied air system with a hood, bunny suits, nitrile gloves, head socks, shoe covers, no kids living here now, and currently no pets. My wife is going visiting a daughter in England in mid April for a week and I expect to paint until I'm done. As far as the house, I have several box fans that I'll set up in open windows - then leave for a cold one or three. The town ordinances don't say I can't paint and the neighbors all work days and live far enough away that any smells will be minor, if at all.

This was not the way I originally wanted to do this. My intent was to have someone else do the painting but when I started getting $10 to $15K estimates, I had to change direction. There was even an estimate of $6-8000 to just spray (using my paint) and wet sand/buff. No body work - just spray and buff my '31 Ford roadster :sweat: .

I feel that the direction that I'm taking is reasonable and safe as any auto painting can be, I've learned a heckuva lot from you folks that I would never have known before and I'm probably not ever going to do this size project again. My equipment is all high mid level now, and I can only hope for the best :D

pepi 02-08-2007 01:10 PM

irelands child

I have to agree with the sentiments here as I will be doing something similar. Lots of paint jobs done buy HotRodders not using a paint booth. I am not saying what is right or wrong just saying what is.

302 Z28 02-08-2007 01:49 PM

Guys, not saying it cannot be done, and not saying you cannot do it safely in a home garage. It all depends on a lot of things like how close your neighbors are, city ordinances, and above all how far you go with protecting yourself (personal protection equipment and exhaust methods). This ain't lacquer were messing with, heck it ain't even enamel, this stuff is deadly.

The concern I had was with the clear spraying it in my garage. I had sprayed a fair amount of base in the garage, painting window moldings, dash board and such. When I applied the clear it was a different experience all together. The garage fogged up like an early morning fog. This was only painting small items. It became alarmingly clear to me that I could not linger for any more time than needed in that environment with a cartridge respirator. This is what convinced me I was fooling myself about doing the whole paint job at home. Now granted all I had for exhaust was a box fan. IMHO you cannot take enough safety precautions with these paints.

Be safe
Vince

Irelands child 02-08-2007 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 302/Z28
. Now granted all I had for exhaust was a box fan. IMHO you cannot take enough safety precautions with these paints.

Be safe
Vince

Vince,
I'm surprised you didn't blow yourself up with an open frame cooled box fan motor (were you using your HF purple gun for all that overspray?) :sweat: !!!

The fan that I now have has a TEFC (totally enclosed) motor for hazardous area use - a must for painting.
Dave

Ripped 02-08-2007 02:25 PM

I wouldn't do it. I had to do some major repairs on my boat a half dozen years ago. I (fiber) glassed some components inside our attached garage.

Even though I opened up the garage doors and had fans, the catalyzing fiberglass odors, went up and through the house, completely making the house unlivable for many hours and everyone very upset with me.

The garage is sealed with double drywall and a weatherstripped door, so I thought it was okay. I would not ever do anything like that again.

The strange thing, is that I can spray bomb car parts, use my sand blasting cabinet etc, with very little, if any oder transfer (at least that the occupants smell), it's the chemicals and the stuff I don't smell that worries me!

Houston54 02-08-2007 04:54 PM

A friend painted his car in an attached garage and the smell got into everything in the house and evidently caused everything in his aquarium to go belly up. He was a bit pissed.

mitmaks 02-09-2007 07:01 PM

I would not paint a car inside garage without adequate ventilation. Also your neighbors might not be very happy about it. Im thinking about only primering in my garage and having car transported to booth for paint job.

Ripped 02-09-2007 07:14 PM

Do primers, such as epoxy primer and 2K high build primer, emit harmful iso's... or is it the base coat and clears?


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