[Prostude]

anyone running the patriot 225cc SBC heads?

the flow numbers look really good almost as good as an afr and better than the profiler heads or edelbrocks new e-210 heads

These newer as cast design flow basically as good as there cnc heads

287 intake at .500
215 exhaust at .500

298 Intake at .600
222 exhaust at .600

[PRO 48 fleetline]

Patriot heads = JUNK

Theres alot more to cylinder heads than max flow numbers, like ports velocity etc. Dont be tempted by the cheap prices!
There casting quailty is vey poor. thus Chinese made!

Pro-Filers the new cylinder head KING

[Prostude]

The price is the about the same for the profilers as the Patriots
flow numbers are better on the Patriots
Are the profilers castings actually made in the U.S.?

[chevorletc10]

I was thinking of running them on my 350 Small Block. Im ny Opinion, they seem like a reasonable brand to buy from, there not cheap, yet not high priced. in JEGS (if im correct) there around $800-$900 for the pair. But, it might make better hp/ Tq on your ride as oposed to your stock heads. BTW im no expert, im just interested in learning about mechanics and engines..

[PRO 48 fleetline]

Big differance trust me give chad a call and check out his site if you series about making some power hes the man to talk with.
http://www.speierracingheads.com/

And this site is great for learning some head knowledge
http://www.1320techtalk.com/viewforum.php?f=5

Heres a set of 210's i bought from him amazing detail and he will port them and build them to your likings reasonable aswell.

These are only 210's and flow 286.5 @ .500
293.7 @ .600


By null at 2010-11-11

By null at 2010-11-11

[ericnova72]

Profilers are cast in the US. Very nice casting.

Have a look around the web on engine builder/machinists sites like SpeedTalk, most report the Patriots do not flow as advertised when checked on a flow bench outside of Patriot(typical advertising, inflated #'s), they are alway a decent amount lower.

Patriot is a chinese casting, but finished and assembled here in Alabama(or was it Louisiana?) town is Rainbow City.

Patriot appears to be one of the better offerings at the bottom of the price scale, but there are better for just a little more cash, like Profiler, Summit's own line(made by Brodix), or Brodix's IK line.

[Prostude]

Originally Posted by PRO 48 fleetline

Big differance trust me give chad a call and check out his site if you series about making some power hes the man to talk with.
http://www.speierracingheads.com/

And this site is great for learning some head knowledge
http://www.1320techtalk.com/viewforum.php?f=5

Heres a set of 210's i bought from him amazing detail and he will port them and build them to your likings reasonable aswell.

These are only 210's and flow 286.5 @ .500
293.7 @ .600


By null at 2010-11-11

By null at 2010-11-11

those intake flow #'s on the profilers are pretty much the same as the patriots. and
I am guessing the exhaust flow is not as good as the patriots and the exhaust flow will be important on this project since it is blown
How much did you pay, I am looking to spend around $1,000.00 If I was to spend around $1500.00 to $2,000.00 I would go with afr without a doubt

I guess I am looking for actual cars that are running these heads in the quarter mile to see actual true HP
I was running a set of junk gm smog heads running easily in the 10's on a street car at 3400 pounds just want to make sure that I get the best heads that I can get for $1,000.00 or less for this new motor.

[PRO 48 fleetline]

Id say you better do your home work before you spent 1k or more or a set of heads you dont want to have to spend that much twice to find out what you should of learned ahead of time.

I could of bought any head i wanted for this combo and yes a 210 AFR was on my list but there numbers are inflated and way commercialized i have numbers from a true flow bench and ill post them for you of these heads.

The problem is at certain rpms these heads go into air choke pro-filer fixed these problems and pro-filers are build and molded right in ohio.
Again everyone is going to have a preference not that afr is a bad head but after speaking with people that have there hands all over theres heads every day the differance is apperant,

Another advantage is the great velocity that profiler makes down low that other heads lack. besides depending on how you want to use this engine you should always look at the mid .400 numbers thats where you will be most and really feel the power in the seat of your pants your not going t be at max rpms all the times ecs in a blower motor.

I paid $1,495.00 complete with porting and bowl work and had them taylored to my engine combo and funny thing is these profilers even as cast with out port work flow numbers that rival afr's cnc'ed.
Now you could buy pro-filers direct from them and even complete for 1k and they will smoke those patriots but i decided to have mine cleaned and opened up a lil more.

My point earlier was your looking at a 220plus cc head thats not flowing any better then these 210's and in the head world a smaller head that flows that well will always make more power because of the intial velocity and seat of the pants torque you will feel.
I could go on for days but the proofs in the pudding,

Thats why i mentioned theres a NEW big dog in the head world because they are fairly new to the market but bought a bazooka to the gun fight. and if you thing these are awesome try there new Air Wolf line still 23% and wow numbers. probably the baddest 23 % head out there.
http://www.1320techtalk.com/viewtopi...ight=air+wolfs

Heres a set of 210 afr's at one of the top head shops in the country!
http://www.1320techtalk.com/viewtopi...ht=afr+numbers

Check em out maybe hollar at him and see what they think of the patriot heads hell just google patriot heads the public alone will tell the story.

[PRO 48 fleetline]

I was running a set of junk gm smog heads running easily in the 10's on a street car at 3400 pounds just want to make sure that I get the best heads that I can get for $1,000.00 or less for this new motor.

Whats the specs on the engine?

A great lil story on the comparison for your HP needs.
http://www.1320techtalk.com/viewtopi...light=profiler

[Prostude]

old motor specs
.480 lift hydraulic flat tappet cam
stock rods stock crank
stock style rockers
two 450 cfm carbs .030 over 350
gm smog heads with 2.02 valves 6-71 blower
10.80's

new motor 385 cubic inch

[PRO 48 fleetline]

Sounds like a fun ride any pics of the car.

[Prostude]

ya its a fun street car
look at my avatar thats the car

does chad sell the 210 heads as cast?

[PRO 48 fleetline]

Nice i like differant building a 48 chevy fleetline pro street myself.
I like those curvey hot rods!