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Old 08-31-2002, 05:06 PM
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I have heard of a few different ways to paint phantom flames what do you guys think is the best way?

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Old 08-31-2002, 10:06 PM
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Bjam, first you must describe the actual flmes you want. Different people call different types of flames different things. Phantom, ghost etc etc and since I've been on this site I've answerd several questions of this same topic and not once has the flamejob they wanted been the same. If you could give me a picture or refrence to the type of flames you speak of I could better help you. Because the simple fact still remains, some reffer to the same thing, but sound totally different.

Phantom flames in my mind are done with pearl irrodecants. Ghost flames are flames done under a transparent paint such as candy or any other translucent paints with the use of different color base coats. I've also heard Phantom flames reffer to just pinstriping. A few different combinations there in.

From the question you ask it seems more of an opinion. If your asking how to do it, give me a picture of what your trying for and I will tell you exactly how it was done and how you can do it.

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I was more looking for the different ways to make phantom/ghost flames (flames that are the "same" color as the rest of the car but show up)?


This will be my first paint job but my friend has painted cars before and is gonna be doing most of it.
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Old 09-01-2002, 12:23 AM
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Are these the style you are reffering to? There are more than one kind of ghost or phantom flames.





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Ya that works.
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Hey Halloween,
Are those tanks ones you have done and you got any more pics of your work?

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Old 09-01-2002, 09:14 PM
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Bjam send me an e-mail and tell me exactly what you know how to do or have done before and I'll write out a step by step if you need one, if not thats alright too, but I'm going to write out a "how to" on microsoft word then paste it up here for everyone.

Kevin, no those are not ones that I've done, but I have done 27 ghost flame jobs to date, mostly for local MC clubs that are good friends of mine and a few different rods. I can paint almost anything with the exception of intricate airbrush work like animals or faces etc. I will be doing a simular effect in my current prodjects paint, but it won't be flames, it will be a ghost Halloween scene. I will posts pictures and a full step by step picture process as soon as I can get a few things sold for cashflow.

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HK I would like a step by step for the ghost flames too.I was going to post a question on it but found this question.I want the style on the silver fender but want to learn to do both. thanks you are a world of knowledge
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Meanmachine, they are both basically the same, just one has a different color candy. I'll do you a step by step, just send me an e-mail and I'll respond

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Thanks for the info. I am always wanting to learn the tricks of the trade. I just dabble in painting for myself and do small repairs on the side once in a while.

I guess what I am planning is Phantom flames on my S-10. If you dont mind, can you see if you see any flaws in my plan:

I am planning to use Martin Senior Base/Clear coat. The color will be a low metallic medium purple. I am planning on applying the color and then the first coat of clear and allowing it to dry for a day. I will then mask off the flames and use white and red pearl to outline the flames. Red body and white tips. I plan on applying the pearl mixed with clear using a detail gun. I have heard that you can just use solvent with the pearl, but it is hard to remove the masking and prep for final coat doing this. After the masking is removed, I will apply two more clear coats.

I am also wondering if the first coat of clear will need to be scuffed before the final coats or if the solvent will penetrate well enough? This will be my first stab at any graphic work, and I dont want it to be flop. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I hate to bad mouth any products....but I would try to avoid Martin Senor products all together.
Especially for the money, you could go with a PPG, or House of Color paint and be happy with it the first time. With Martin, you will more than likely be unsatisfied with the end results and then end up buying PPG ,H of K, or Dupont anyways.
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[quote]Originally posted by Weimer:
<strong>I hate to bad mouth any products....but I would try to avoid Martin Senor products all together.
Especially for the money, you could go with a PPG, or House of Color paint and be happy with it the first time. With Martin, you will more than likely be unsatisfied with the end results and then end up buying PPG ,H of K, or Dupont anyways.
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What problems have you had? I have used it in the past for small jobs and had no problems.

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Coverage...No matter how much paint or what the paint to thinner ratio...Would not cover. It looked like someone was using watercolors.
I could be wrong...but everyone around here avoids Martin products like it carries the plague.
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I have not seen this. I have used several different colors in the bc/cc and it worked very well. Who knows.....


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