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Old 11-09-2002, 08:43 PM
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I will soon be ready to start on my pearl phantom flames. My plan was to put the first coat of clear, let it cure and then shoot the flames. Then another coat of clear.

Heres the question. I am using urethane two stage. Is it possible to lay out the flames over the base before the first clear, or would that be asking for trouble? My fear is that if I do this it could disturb the base color. Will the base hold up to surface prep solvent if there is any tape residue left? It has some metallic but not a whole lot. This is my first shot at graphics and I just want to make sure and get the steps right. What do you all think?

Chris

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Old 11-09-2002, 08:53 PM
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Thank the lawd, the right terminolgy, PHANTOM FLAMES! TurboS10, you could do it either way, the only difference will be the depth, by paintin over the base the flames will look like apart of the base. By spraying a coat of clear then the flames that will act as a deepening effect and make them stand out a bit more. It won't be that noticable, but thats what will happen. In my exsperience with fine line tape it doesn't leave any residue and neither does 3M tape, but if your still afraid of that they (3M) have a low adhesive tape specially made for use on base coats and any other new paint masking you need to do. I don't like it myself, but others love it.

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Why don't you re-prep the surface after you spray the flames and before you spray the clear?
You don't want oily fingerprints f-ing up the clear do you? With surface prep, what little adhesive IS left by the tape will be gone when you wipe it down anyways.
My buddy flamed a Harley tank fo a guy and he actually cleared over pinstriping tape. He used the striping tape to outline the flames with instead of doing it by hand. After several coats of clear you can't even feel the tape under the clear...who'd a thunk it?!
Correct terminology? Up here in Ohio, that's all they are called is ghost flames...never heard of Phantom Flames...
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Old 11-11-2002, 01:10 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Weimer:
<strong>Why don't you re-prep the surface after you spray the flames and before you spray the clear?
You don't want oily fingerprints f-ing up the clear do you? With surface prep, what little adhesive IS left by the tape will be gone when you wipe it down anyways.
My buddy flamed a Harley tank fo a guy and he actually cleared over pinstriping tape. He used the striping tape to outline the flames with instead of doing it by hand. After several coats of clear you can't even feel the tape under the clear...who'd a thunk it?!
Correct terminology? Up here in Ohio, that's all they are called is ghost flames...never heard of Phantom Flames...
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Part of my question invlolved this. I am always paranoid about anything on the surface, cause once you start your F'ed if its not clean. My concern is that the surface prep solvent might melt into the base and cause coloration problems. I dont know if it will or not.....

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Chris, using prep solvent on cured/dry base is alright as long as you just wipe it on/off with a cloth. Dawn dish detergent is also great to use in a bucket of warm water just wash and rinse and let it dry then continue on. Actually many old school body guys, myself included don't use serface prepp solvents like degreaser it can cause some descrepancies in the paint, damn dish detergent is safe, it remove ANY oil or residues that may occur and it won't hurt the paint at all. Weimer is correct as well, many people have used pinstripping tape as a border. Its been done since the '50's. Its easy and cheap, but alot of new guys think the tape will lift during the application of the clear so they don't use that method much. I've done it both ways, both ways work just fine.

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That is interesting on the dish soap. I was under the same impression until this past weekend. I washed the entire truck before painting the interior, cage and door jams. As soon as I started spraying base on the back of the cab there were fish eyes everywhere. I had just cleaned it with dishsoap the day before! So I went over everything again with degreaser and the problem was solved. I am a bit confused. The only thing I can think is maybe the rag I used to wash the truck had a little something on it.

Thanks for the input on the base coat thing.

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Turbo,
Depends on the soap. Prep-sol will remove all residue For the best job use what is supposed to be used because you can run into time and money substituting the wrong thing. Check out some of these customsbyflash.com/flames www.customflamepainting.com/ <a href="http://members.tripod.com/bobstory/faq.html]http://members.tripod.com/bobstory/faq.html[/URL]

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You best bet would be to ask your paint supplier. Most auto paint shops have a knowledgable paint rep...if his good at his job he will know his *****.Or you could call the paint company and ask them what they would recommend. The only thing that you would be out would be a little of your time asking how to do it right to begin with...If you just try to wing it, you'll be out some hard cash and your time/labor.
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