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Old 11-29-2012, 04:12 PM
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Im writing this because some seem to think the Addition of "under God" has always been in the pledge!

"Louis A. Bowman (1872–1959), an attorney from Illinois, was the first to initiate the addition of "under God" to the Pledge. The National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution gave him an Award of Merit as the originator of this idea. He spent his adult life in the Chicago area and was Chaplain of the Illinois Society of the Sons of the American Revolution. At a meeting on February 12, 1948,Lincoln's Birthday, he led the Society in swearing the Pledge with two words added, "under God.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in 1892 by Francis Bellamy (1855–1931), who was a Baptist minister, a Christian socialist, and the cousin of socialist utopian novelist Edward Bellamy (1850–1898). The original "Pledge of Allegiance" Did not contain the word GOD and was published in the an issue of the popular children's magazine The Youth's Companion as part of the National Public-School Celebration of Columbus Day, a celebration of the 400th anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas.

The event was conceived and promoted by James B. Upham a marketer for the magazine, as a campaign to instill the idea of American nationalism with an add campaign to sell flags to public schools and magazines to students.

In 1952, Holger Christian Langmack wrote a letter to President Truman suggesting the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Langmack was a Danish philosopher and educator who came to the United States in 1911. He was one of the originators of the Prayer Breakfast and a religious leader in Washington, D.C. President Truman met with him along with several others to discuss the inclusion of "under God" and "love" just before "liberty and justice".[citation needed]

At the suggestion of a correspondent, Representative Louis C. Rabaut of Michigan sponsored a resolution to add the words "under God" to the Pledge in 1953. The phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress!

The introduction of "under God" in the mid 1950s was done during the Cold War, as a way to differentiate the U.S. from the concept of communist state of atheism. A political move!

When I was a boy I said the pledge every day in public school with no God in it, and at Catholic Catechism ( like a Sunday school) I had to say it with the word God! It was weird to me having to say it 2 different ways back then? as young as I was! It was really cool when the whole country accepted the Christian pledge to the flag I didn't have to say it 2 different ways anymore!!!!! I was very young and didn't understand why the religious groups like Jehovah Witness were the first to fight its adaption in the courts!!

Under God being included or not has little difference, its a pledge to a flag! Written and designed for children by a Baptist Minister and socialist, that was smart enough not to include the word God, then was printed to sell a product, and adapted with the words "under God" for political reasons!

I say it and being a vet solute the flag, And been doing it for so long its indoctrinated into my skull LOL As a child it was just something I had to memorize 2 different ways and didn't pay much attention to what I was saying I would rather have played in the sand box But after being in combat it has much more of a real meaning that swells up in my heart! Not the words "under God" but seeing the flag waving proudly!

This Country was taken during the revaluation for basic freedoms from a Monarchy England! And one of those freedoms is peoples freedoms of religion or non religion! Not a nation founded under God!

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John Adams, Second President of the United States, wrote in his 1788 "A Defense of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" that:

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretense of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind....

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this even an era in their history.

Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses... ""It is true that during the Constitutional Convention a minority favored some recognition of Christianity in the Constitution. Those views were rejected, and the Constitution was adopted as a completely secular document."

The phrase "In God We Trust" did not become the official U.S. national motto until after the passage of an Act of Congress in 1956.

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The founding fathers were thought to be agnostics and some would even say atheists, regardless of this, it's clear in a lot of their writings that they believed in a secular state, so no, it wasn't founded upon God.
For example a quote from the Treaty of Tripoli would easily suggest the secular views of the founding fathers:

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

There are plenty more quotes, particularly from Thomas Jefferson, that can be found pretty easily on the internet to show the secular and possibly atheistic views of the founding fathers themselves.
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Regardless of this, American politics today is extremely heavily influenced by religion!!

Ronald Reagan, 40th U.S. President, in his Feb. 3, 1983 Proclamation 5018, which declared 1983 as "The Year of the Bible," stated:

"The Bible and its teachings helped form the basis for the Founding Fathers' abiding belief in the inalienable rights of the individual, rights which they found implicit in the Bible's teachings of the inherent worth and dignity of each individual. This same sense of man patterned the convictions of those who framed the English system of law inherited by our own Nation, as well as the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution."

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It seems to me the United states is returning slowly to religion run politics!

I say let Christians put up their nativity scenes on our government buildings lawns, and parks, as long as there is room left for every other group to put up any thing they want!

Freedom for one freedom for all!

I'm a Christian, I am patriotic, and a combat vet of war, I also believe in the government of the United States, and God was not in the pledge, it was added years later and if its taken back out the pledge will go back the way it was meant to be, life will go on just as it always has! And its a couple of more words kids don't have to memorize! By the way we used to salute the flag during the pledge with arms straight out Like Hitler who adopted it from us and the writer of the pledge (it was called the "Bellamy Salute")!


This might shock some> about our pledge of allegiance.And its author!!

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