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Plymouth Savoy/Belvedere/Fury

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I had a 'good thing' happen, but have some questions...let me explain.

Ive been restoring my 69 GTO (with some mods) for some years and my wife has pretty much always referred to it as "the piece of junk outside".

Well, these days the car is moving along nicely and I hope to have the body back on the frame over the winter <fingercross> I have better "financial horsepower" then before.

I started thinking "Would I ever do it again?" even though I have mountains of work left. Probably not...but there is one car thats always caught my eye (and well before "the movie")...gnawing at the back of my mind...and that is a 2Dr 57-59 Plymouth Savoy/Belvedere/Fury.

Well, I was idly looking at pics of this fabulous finned car when the wife happened by and I said "hey, what do you think of this car?"

She said "wow! thats great!" I said "Really? would you drive something like that?"

"Definitely. A glossy purple with white-stripe...and white interior."

Frankly, I was amazed at how she mentally repainted the car without missing a beat and...I liked the color choice. If I could "sell it" as it being her car...well then it's ez-street in that area

Now...the 'reality check' is this will have to wait till the GTO is done, but I am trying to find info on these models "just incase".

What bothers me is that I don't see any sources (yet) for repop parts, especially sheet metal. Also, I havent found info on "weak points" in the rust department.

Also, my intent would be to hot-rod this car, so I would actually be interested in the cheaper, less desireable Savoy and Belvedere models, but I would like 2dr for the looks. I'd feel bad hacking up an "all original" one (and then there is the cost of a pristine one to boot) so it would be a 'project car' of some sort. Another point of info that would be interesting is the difficulties involved in an engine swap with the strange (for me, anyhow) torsion bar suspension. For a project like this, I envision a LS-type motor, probably one from an SUV or Truck with enough torque to move this battleship. Also, AC would be a must for the wife.

Any leads for more info would be much appreciated.

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Not a answer, but you might ask over on the HAMB board. www.jalopyjournal.com

It is a board focused on pre 64 cars, mostly customs and rods.
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I remember Hemmings Classic Cars or one of the other offshoots did an
story on repacing the floor pans on one of these and they usually give some
contacts at the end of the story were you can source parts. check with
your local library it was fairly recent- mayby a year or so ago. Jim
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Thanks for the leads! Let the quest for begin!

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If anyone else is interested, I found some good info here: http://www.plymouthcentral.com/
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Does she realize how big those boats are?
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My wife firmly believes "bigger is better".

In fact, the one car she continues to proclaim as truly missing (and I kid you not) is my '95 C3500 dually with extended cab and full length bed. It had the injected 454 with Gale Banks power pack.

When gas was nearly 4$ a gallon, we had to swap cars since my commute is 90 miles a day and that truck got 10mpg no matter how hard you tried to be nice.

When driving that she said she was "Queen of the Road". All the other "Mom's" seemed to be envious when she would come rumbling up in this battleship. Btw, my wife is probably about 5ft 3in. tall

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The 57 Fury was not that big of a boat and, though the 57 Chevy has all the thunder, the 57 Fury with the Hemi package was the lightning. The torsion bar suspension also beat the other era cars hands down in the handling department. So if you want to hot rod a hot rod, look for the higher dollar Fury with a Hemi and give it a little boost along with the purple and white.

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Yes the Savoy/Belvedere would be a nice project and not a laden with chrome as the D-500 Dodge. In my opinion it would really be a fun driver with either a 383 or 440 in it, sorry I'm not a fan of the newer corporate engines, and haven't been since GM started doing this back in the 70's. And would I ever consider one of the new LS engines in either one of the Pontiac's I own, no way. But this is my opinion.
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My wife firmly believes "bigger is better".

In fact, the one car she continues to proclaim as truly missing (and I kid you not) is my '95 C3500 dually with extended cab and full length bed. It had the injected 454 with Gale Banks power pack.

When gas was nearly 4$ a gallon, we had to swap cars since my commute is 90 miles a day and that truck got 10mpg no matter how hard you tried to be nice.

When driving that she said she was "Queen of the Road". All the other "Mom's" seemed to be envious when she would come rumbling up in this battleship. Btw, my wife is probably about 5ft 3in. tall

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That explains it.

Many years back, my parents had a 58 Belvedere Sport Coupe. It was Black with a red interior, we called it the Bat Mobile. A lot of good memories.

Good Luck in your quest!
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Correction, I would never consider one in either one of my Pontiac's
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Well, my GTO is a pure Pontiac and I intend to keep it that way (YS 400). For this one, which is just "on paper" at this point, I want to do something different. Sure, I'd like to go with a HEMI of some sort, but they are always more expensive then just about any comparable motor. Note: I didn't say "not worth it", but a person can get a nice, injected GM V8 for far less.

Another thought that comes to mind is a motor from a modern Dodge truck, but I must confess, I don't know a thing about them.
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I think it's a good idea. The 'Mayflowers' from the 50's are not the most popular with the hotrod crowd, so you can buy them cheap(er), and do most hotrodding operations cheaper also. The '55 and '56's aren't any bigger than the Fords and Chevy's of the day; and even the '57's on up aren't much bigger; the fins make them appear that way.

Street Rodder and Hot Rod have both shown owners' rides made from '55 or
56 models....mild custom, tubbed, modern engines, etc.....not bad at all.

I'd personally stay away from the Hemi. Yeah, it's got shock appeal; but without doing a decent amount of work on it, they don't run that well. And they are a couple hundred pounds heaver, and physically larger than regular engines. A well prepped 360, which can easily be enlarged, will give more than enough hp to do about anything you want to. Speed parts are easy to come by. The torsion bars should present no problem. Now, you have no spring towers to fight with.

The bodies on these cars seem pretty tough. You don't see a lot of them rusted out. And as time goes on, and other cars get scarcer and more expensive, you're going to see more Plymouths, Ramblers, Packards, Oldsmobiles, and others become rodded......and good for them.
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If I were to do one of those i would consider the late 5.7 hemi from a durango or a pickup with the OD auto..good performance and not all that bad at the pump..Good luck on finding one as there are not all that many left..
comes to mind that the Plymouth dealer in my hometown had one a 57 that was all chromed out and tuck and roll and was a killer show car...

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While youíre looking donít overlook the Plaza which was the bottom of the line offering. It shares the same body with the rest of the line but had a lot fewer options available.

The 57-9 Plymouths were VERY rust prone especially in areas that saw a lot any moisture and or salt in the winter time. Common areas of rust include the fender eyebrows, rockers, floors, etc. There are a couple of places that are making a limited amount of reproduction sheetmetal but there is not a lot out there.

A couple of places you can start looking for cars or restoration info would be over at

http://www.phpbbplanet.com/plymouthrockres/

John Fowley (Big M) runs a yard out in CA that specializes in these cars and the Donnie who runs the site has a restoration shop that specializes in them. Either can be contacted at the site. Iíve dealt with both when I was building my car and theyíre good people.

As far as engines Plymouth was the only division of Chrysler that did NOT offer a HEMI during the 50ís. If you find a 57 it will have a flat head 6, 301 or 318 Poly (even in the Fury). In 58 the wedge was introduced in a 350 cubic inch flavor and 59 a 361 could be had.

Center sump pans are common on the 50-60s Mopars due to the location of the front crossmember and drag link. Almost any Mopar engine is a pretty easy swap with the correct parts, even the HEMI. Finding a pan for a GM engine that will work may be a challenge.

There are a lot of things that can be done with these cars and they are a ball to drive. I built my 57 Plaza a couple of years ago and have been very happy with it. My journal here shows the build if youíre interested. By the way the old HEMI cruises comfortably at 75MPH and gets 20 MPG doing it.

http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/jour...ge=1&reverse=1
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