[MXrider13]

Ponchiac's are the only engine people should use, Ponchiac's are the fastest cars, Ponchiac's can never be beat, Ponchiac's will Live forever. Ponchiac, Ponchiac, Ponchiac!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te-aK5Ny68Y

[against all odds]

1) Too bad Gm didn't agree. Or rather the obama administration doesn't agree. i will never forgive this administration for this.


2) i agree that they are good engines, but i feel the sbc is still better. Apparently gm does agree as well. To your credit, the sbc did take the stamped rocker design from pontiac.

[LATECH]

MXrider...I like your style..

The GTO didnt get a reputation because it lost.

[poncho62]

I am a Pontiac fan, have had a few....Pontiacs were a hot item in the 60s and Pontiac heads on the pro stocks were the rage for a while.......All brands can be made to go fast, it just takes money

[MXrider13]

Originally Posted by LATECH

MXrider...I like your style..

The GTO didnt get a reputation because it lost.

LOL Thanks, my sister sent me that video because I have been thinking about buying an 80's Trans Am lately so I have been talking about Pontiacs a lot.

[69 widetrack]

Got to be one of the easiest engines to work on. lots of torque and make lots of power. Gotta like the old 60's Pontiac.

[66GMC]

Originally Posted by against all odds

1) Too bad Gm didn't agree. Or rather the obama administration doesn't agree. i will never forgive this administration for this.
...

As a Canadian ... I need someone to explain how Pontiac's demise could be pinned on the US president.

As a Pontiac owner / fan I couldn't quite understand why GM shelved the Pontiac and kept the fugly Buick?

OK, OK... I have to concede that the 3.8 engine IS a Buick engine.
(Keep the engine, continue to put it in a Pontiac wrapper.)

[against all odds]

Well, the obama admistration (who, by the way, know nothing about cars) set up a "car czar"----basically a 28 year old kid who also knows nothing about cars. Typical modern "management."

In return for loaning all that money to them, the administration made gm agree to "cut excess brands" (even though pontiac sold 3rd behind chevy and gmc)(???) because neither our government or gm know what the hell they are doing. Don't act real smug either because i think Steven Harper is too young. But i digress.

So, that's how pontiac got axed----prematurely. The loan has been paid back. If pontiac was still around, this would not be a detriment to gm and, if anything, would be very helpful.

Our society is dying.


P.s. The reason why buick was kept was due to pure stupidity. And the fact that they were and are on fire in China.

[LATECH]

Buicks were real popular among the blue haired crowd and sold well to that crowd.
GM had allways pushed the red haired step child (pontiac) aside from chevrolet , who allway wanted to be the performance leader in GM as is, but only because Gm s reps were told to keep the pontiac in the background. GM was real unhappy with Jim Wangers when he put a 421 in a 64 rebadged lemans an called it a GTO. Told the public it was a 389. LOL
The public got the 389 version which was no slouch, but wangers had the black ops 421 heehee.
Pissed chevy off. The pontiac banshee was also killed because GM played favorites, and chevy was there little darlin. Sickening huh.
GM bought Hummer and some saab, both poor moves IMHO. They allready had 2 great trucks chevy and GMC , at the time they did all that gas prices went up, and hummer sales were anemic.
With all that bad business making, and the power/wage hungry unions, and scandolous Enron type management...its a wonder that GM lasted this long. Everyone in america has stock in GM now as your tax dollars paid for all the poor business decisions and all the white collar rip off artists who made out. Funny thing, I havent recieved my stock certificate yet. Hmmm

[E.Furgal]

as much as I love pontiac.. and it's my fav. g.m. brand..
it always since I've been able to drive, a badge engineered brand..
other than the fiero.. and the end of the line cars, solice/gto/g8.. anything pontiac had, chevy/buick/olds had..
pontiac also stepped on toes time and again..
the 73-74 s/d t/a's , the mid 80's firehawk, the 2+2 that got the v8 instead of the v6 they wanted..
the 89 turbo t/a
the fiero most notablly the 88gt
the new gto when chevy had zero rear drive cars but the vette.
the g8 that chevy didn't want but didn't want pontiac to have either..

and the 421 s/d of the 60's and ofcourse the mighty gto
the 60's tri power that became a vette only piece after pontiac smoked tem..
same with the mfi,

buick lives on.. because of over seas and it's easier to change a buick into a youngermans car ,new regal anyone!!!!!. than take the pontiac line and retool to sell to the older folk..

[WDCreech]

Originally Posted by MXrider13

LOL Thanks, my sister sent me that video because I have been thinking about buying an 80's Trans Am lately so I have been talking about Pontiacs a lot.

The last year that a real Pontiac engine was put into any Pontiac, by the factory, was 1981 and that engine was left over supplies from late 70's. The last 400 block was cast in 1979, but by '81, they were using the whimpy 301.

Bill

[against all odds]

And the 265 in 81 which i feel is a good engine; Basically the same as a 301 but smaller bore?

Also, they used the 2.5 iron duke 4 cyl for a while in pontiacs after that.

[E.Furgal]

Originally Posted by against all odds

And the 265 in 81 which i feel is a good engine; Basically the same as a 301 but smaller bore?

Also, they used the 2.5 iron duke 4 cyl for a while in pontiacs after that.

265 ? don't you mean 262? that was a chevy small block
the 301 was nothing like a chevy v8 other than 8 cyl.

those where dark times ,

[against all odds]

No, yak had 301 and 265 v-8's as their last v-8's; These are completely different from the 455, 389, 350, 287's we all know and love.


It was kind of different back then as every gm division had their own engines including gmc.

[E.Furgal]

what 265
the 1955-56 one..
I don't remember pontiac ever having a 265 in the late 70's 80's..
only g.m engines V8's about that size was olds 260 and chevy 262
buick 350 was long dead by then..like the 400 pontiac..
the olds 403 lived on..
please more info on this pontiac 265