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Old 12-20-2006, 07:07 PM
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has anyone used ppg dplf epoxy primer on a bare metal frame? how does it work and is it easy to sand and weld around?

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you'd be better off with SPI ,,,
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Forget DPLF, over priced and under performance. PPG epoxy primer has not been worth a flip since they did away with the lead formula. I agree with the SPI epoxy primer suggestions, it is far superior to DPLF and half the cost.

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Old 12-21-2006, 08:02 PM
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PPG does have a epoxy primer that is self leveling but not for the ch#@p budget type. Be sure and clean up any equipment right away cause it isn't coming off after it cures..

For those interested ...NCP -280 needing NCX- 285...
2 parts primer to 1 part hardener , than a capfull of acetone per ounce to adjust flow through the gun...

Self leveling works best with wet on wet coats ..



Wow , I'm not alone... http://www.sporttruck.com/techarticl...preparing.html

"03. Now the fenders are coated in PPG's NCP 280 high-build surfacer. This stuff must be mixed with NCX 285 catalyst so it will dry. The 280 primer self-levels, which means it seeks out low areas to provide the smoothest surface possible and in turn cut down the sanding time. Three wet coats were laid down in about eight-minute intervals "

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Self leveling ...

self centered?

no self leveling?
really? yes really...
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I agree stay away from the DPLF. i used to use it all the time before it went LF.. but it's not the same.
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Milo, NCP is NOT an epoxy. It is an "ISO free" primer similar to a urethane but NOT an epoxy.

It is damn good primer, high filling, direct to metal and one of my biggest road blocks when I was selling against it.

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Oh it's an epoxy all right, 2 PARTS, CATALSYT...just not in california..
Epoxy Primer---> or <--- DPLF Epoxy Primer must dry overnight (16 hours) prior to bodyfiller application.DFProduct Information Bulletin Effective 9/98PPG Industries, Inc., 19699 Progress Dr., Strongsville, OH 44136© 1998 PPG Industries, Inc. 9/98P-101 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page 2 IMPORTANT: The contents of this package must be blended with other components before the product can be used. Before opening the packages, be sure you understand the warning messages on the labels of allcomponents, since the mixture will have the hazards of all its parts. Improper spray technique may result in a hazardous condition. Follow spray equipment manufacturer’s instructions to prevent personal injury or fire.Follow directions for respirator use. Wear eye and skin protection. Observe all applicable precautions.See Material Safety Data Sheet and Labels for additional safety information and handling instructions.EMERGENCY MEDICAL OR SPILL CONTROL INFORMA - did not match any documents.
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I'm sorry Milo, I don't understand what you just posted. NCP is an iso free filler primer. Does it say somewhere in it's literature that it is an epoxy?

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yOU CAN'T LEAGALY CALL IT EPOXY IN CALIFORNIA..

http://www.mckennasgarage.com/xke/jag_18.htm
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Milo, I think the PPG site has messed you up. I just went there and clicked on the P-Sheet for NCP270 and got the DPLF tech sheet!

I went and googled it and came up with this..http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=4

Calling it an epoxy would benifit them, epoxy "primer/sealers" can be 3.5 VOC while a filling primer has a 2.1 limit.

Honestly, you may have someone calling it an epoxy SO they can sell it to you being it does meet the 3.5 VOC when mixed 3:1. But it is NOT an epoxy as far as anything I have ever read on it.

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Old 12-22-2006, 12:41 AM
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Then it's better than an epoxy... Primer Sealer ??
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I have no idea why you posted that link, it doesn't say a thing about NCP. You are on the west coast, it isn't that late right now you can't be sleep deprived.

No, but I was just told that the MSDS on the NCP calls it an "epoxy hyrid". So I stand corrected. I do know that it certianly doesn't sand like an epoxy, it is a nice surfacing primer.

Oh, and it sure looks like that is not a compliant product here in the bay area. You better be using it along side your neighbors meth lab so you can watch each others backs.

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I saw in that link that epoxy is different things when not in California... About 15 years ago I asked my paint jobber for a epoxy primer that I could depend on not to mess /react with laquers or enamels and something the guy with the BAAQMD clipboard wouldn't hassle me for...He slid some NCP 280 with some 285 hardner/catalyst across the counter with it , called it (shhhhh) epoxy and I haven't had a problem since... To me an epoxy is two parts when mixed together get hard and when it cures it doesn't change what it touches...
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For a second there I was thinking I was hood winked as well...
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

Blinded by science...

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