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View Poll Results: Are Pro Comp parts worth buying?
Yes, the price is too good to pass up. 21 21.00%
No, Pro Comp parts are off shore junk. 30 30.00%
Only if they have good reviews. 51 51.00%
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:19 PM
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There would have to be more than a ton of good news for me to buy pc parts. I have been looking for a set of bbc heads for a long time. One of these days, I will find a pair. If I see PC on the heads, I have to walk away. Just what I believe in. Maybe, being anti-comi has something to do with my decision.
I can certainly appreciate your decision on being 'anti-comi' but are you consistent with the rest of your purchases? Have you checked your shoes, socks, underwear, shirt and pants lately? I bet if you walked away from everything 'anti-comi' you'd have nothing to wear. Would I be for walking away from every non-American made product - absolutely but it would take more than a handful to make a difference.
Please don't take what I wrote as disrespect, I hear this a lot and I wonder just how consistent we all are?
There is so much more to this issue that can't be discussed here.
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I can certainly appreciate your decision on being 'anti-comi' but are you consistent with the rest of your purchases? Have you checked your shoes, socks, underwear, shirt and pants lately? I bet if you walked away from everything 'anti-comi' you'd have nothing to wear. Would I be for walking away from every non-American made product - absolutely but it would take more than a handful to make a difference.
Please don't take what I wrote as disrespect, I hear this a lot and I wonder just how consistent we all are?
There is so much more to this issue that can't be discussed here.
People should keep your political views out of this threat my Father was in the Korean war in a prison cap.

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Got a pretty good job. but the good ole usa sticks it in my *** with 4.00 a gallon gas so got to cut corners. also roles out the red carpet across the border and says come on so we can beat down the wages some more, lucky we can afford procomp.

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Old 04-25-2011, 09:13 PM
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"I'm seeing now a lot of PC intake single plain on a lot of cars at Budds Creek Race Way in MD.
The intakes I'm using is - Edelbrock cost $349.00, Holley cost $334.00, Motown cost $335.00, the PC intake I'm ordering this weekend cost $115.00 to come pair it to my Motown intake."

Like I said, pal, if you want to support a company that pays nothing for research, does nothing but copy designs, and is basically a patent pirate go ahead. It's pathetic. I hope you someday have the gumption to actually invent something and then watch it and what should be your profits stolen by somebody else. I'll laugh my *** off. You're the type that would buy the old lady a CZ ring and tell her its a real diamond.
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"I'm seeing now a lot of PC intake single plain on a lot of cars at Budds Creek Race Way in MD.
The intakes I'm using is - Edelbrock cost $349.00, Holley cost $334.00, Motown cost $335.00, the PC intake I'm ordering this weekend cost $115.00 to come pair it to my Motown intake."

Like I said, pal, if you want to support a company that pays nothing for research, does nothing but copy designs, and is basically a patent pirate go ahead. It's pathetic. I hope you someday have the gumption to actually invent something and then watch it and what should be your profits stolen by somebody else. I'll laugh my *** off. You're the type that would buy the old lady a CZ ring and tell her its a real diamond.
Your pilitcal view and off the wall comments should not be in this threat....
And not your f... PAL. People have the right to buy what the hell they like....

This threat was about Procomp bad good junk do you get it yet....
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Anti Comi

Since being an ex ranger in nam, I believe I have the right to say anti-comi remarks. And yes, I try not to buy over seas products. I am old enough to know the difference. It's your money, blow it however you want. Just let me have the right to say and buy what I want. I believe I earned the right!
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The discussion should not be " If they are any good or not " but " is it right to buy from them, and if we do at what cost is it to our own country ? "
I beg to differ. If you want to have that discussion, start your own thread.

I'm trying to learn things here, without the blue-collar / white-collar political diatribes getting in the way. Sheesh.
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:27 PM
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Really, nofear. What are you having trouble understanding? Procomp is foreign made junk, by a company that does no testing or research, using questionable metallurgy, uses a 3-D scanner on the competition's latest product then duplicates it and calls it their own. Does not contribute to one single job over here in the States.
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CRD, if you want to talk about how they're junk, or don't perform well, that's fine. But talk of American jobs is not what the OP was about. I maintain that if you want to talk about that, you should start your own thread, instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks on other posters.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:51 AM
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Sorry you feel that way but providing no American jobs is a big part of the equation why you shouldn't buy their stuff. Can't hide from the facts, my man.
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Old 04-27-2011, 10:38 AM
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In the first post, I said this thread is "...to outline the various PC parts as to their quality and suitability for use in an engine build." I didn't intend this to include the origin of the parts, but I knew there'd likely be some reservations voiced about PC parts having a chi-com origin. And while that cannot be denied, it would also be a misnomer to say there are no domestic jobs generated by the sales of these parts.

If Skip White and all the other purveyors of these parts are paying their taxes and are successfully running their various business, they are also employing any number of people to keep them in business. The ripple goes all the way from the dock workers who unload the cargo, to the truckers who transport the products to the warehouses, to the lady who answers Skip's phone, to the warehouse workers who box the products, to the USPS/FedEx/UPS/etc who deliver them to your doorstep.

What IS missing from all this is the foundry work, machining and inspection that is done overseas. The rest is done here and the money generated is spent and taxed here- unless Skip has a bungalow in Shanghai.

In any event, I don't see the aftermarket auto parts industry contributing enough to the GNP to be anything but barely visible. If the entire industry were to fail it wouldn't spell doomsday for our economy- that's for sure.

OT- IMO, I've done my part where it really matters- I own American autos, my durable goods are primarily US made (although they're old, so when and if they wear out or become unrepairable due to no parts supply, etc. this may well change), I pay my taxes and 'support the troops'. I'm fairly active in my community, I do volunteer work through my church, I don't use dope or drive impaired. I even vote.

If you want to point to some areas that REALLY affects the economy, look no further than to the fedgov's waste, the money dope smokers/sniffers/shooters gladly send out of the country that supports every bad thing imaginable- from terrorists in the middle East to guerrilla war in South America to the the thugs running the Mexican borders, to foreign governments who spend the money on arms to kill our soldiers with, income tax fraud, welfare and unemployment cheats, Medicare/Medicaid waste/fraud, pork belly projects added on by every bureaucrat who can. Et cetera ad nauseum.

I have said this before, and I still hold it to be true: "If me buying an offshore auto part is the 'straw that breaks the economy's back', then we're f-ed anyway."

I will probably not live long enough to see what the outcome of US vs. China will be- but I know this: If I have to buy cheap to afford something, then so be it. Our fedgov allows these imports, at least for now they are perfectly legal. So until the laws change, I have no guilt should I buy a Chinese part. The economy- and the naysayers- will just have to deal w/it. But I would fight for a fellow American to have the right to voice a different opinion.

Rant over.
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Pro Comp is not always the cheapest, or at least cheap enough to even consider there product.. As an example, the Pro Comp 429/460 heads are $999/ set bare. Edelbrocks are just a little more, and the Ford Racing Kasse designed Super Cobra Jet heads are $550 ish each..
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I'm not being an advocate for Pro Comp.

But let's try to think outside of the box a little bit.

Buying goods anywhere, even from overseas, is a good thing, as long as you get a good product at a good price. Maybe Pro Comps aren't well made. A good effort was made here to make the case one way or the other. But the discussion keeps heading into politics, so okay, fine.....

Big Labor guys will stomp their feet about the money you're supposedly taking out of their pockets, while demanding you pay them $40+ an hour to do a job a foreigner does (albeit with less quality) for $40 a week. Isn't it up to me to decide if I want to save the money and then use it to pay them to do something they can actually do at a competitive price?

I equate "buy American no matter what!" to breaking windows just to keep the glass maker employed. Or better yet, pouring thermite down the spark plug hole of so-called "clunkers" because it keeps the UAW in dues. The Big O destroyed a lot of wealth in the form of cars that had many useful miles left in them rather than ask an industry to adapt and make stuff people want and can still afford. I buy American when Americans live up to the name; i.e. making stuff nobody else can (increasingly less and less these days unfortunately). Otherwise we'd all still be buying American kerosene lamps.

Create WEALTH, not jobs.

If I manage to buy a pair of heads that leaves $600 in my pocket over an American-made pair, that's $600 richer the nation is as a whole. Or we can continue to run around breaking each others' windows. We'll all be employed, but getting poorer by the day.

If Pro Comp is doing shady things, let the lawyers and politicians ban them. If buying Pro Comp is such a crime, go after JEGS, not the individual consumer. Besides, if they're such a crappy product, people will spread the word. OH WAIT, that's what the OP was asking for. Hallelujah.

We can complain about how unfair it is all day long, but it won't change reality. The American worker has to adapt, or perish. The days of the 40 hour factory workweek and middle-class lifestyle are a pleasant memory.
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When going after the best value is not being patriotic then there is something wrong that is much bigger than cylinder heads.

I say purchasing the best value regardless of country of origin is patriotic, either it will force American industry to adapt and conquer or it will dry up.

BTW, which is more patriotic a Toyota made in the states or a Chevy made in Canada?
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Well Said Cobalt.
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