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Pro Topline Heads

I have two sets of pro topline heads. My first set was the Pro Torquer's which seems to work well and fit nicely. No special parts needed. Recently I purchased a set of the 220 Lightnings. The set looked real nice, however one of the heads intake runnerrs are higher then the other heads. We finally found an intake manifold that would work with the heads, however it took a while. One of the heads was also drilled too deeply where the accessory bolt would go and started leaking soon after the head was installed. I currently have a bolt sticking out the front of my aluminum heads, doesn't look too pretty. The company is also in the process of going through chapter 11 and it doesn't sound very likely that they will have a buyer. With all these issues and no where to go for help, I would suggest going with another head. Perhaps AFR, that is what I would have gone with if I had known all the issues I would have with the Lightnings.

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I have two sets as well, the 200cc iron and now the 220cc alum, mine look great, and aside from some minor casting flash here and there they are cast perfectly....

are you sure it isnt Pro Action thats having finacial difficulty? Pro Topline is a newer program...same people but I think Pro Action teamed up with these fellow's www.topline.com.ar

I also believe that AFR was doing the work for Pro Action untill pro actions sales were out doing AFR, so AFR went and started selling thier own heads...I suspect thats when pro action became PTL....

to me thats why its hard to find the correct flow #'s for PTL, with AFR as a adversary some tests might be a lil bias...2wld4u

this is from PTL site.....they are very dominate in the years listed...then? what happened? hmmm....maybe those guy's at AFR started getting a lil upset? anyways..this is just my .02....I hope you get your problems resolved...I just wanted you to know that saying AFR is better when they use to do work for PTL is well.....you know...2wld4u




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oh no! You started reading this board too late! There have been countless problems with pro-topline, probably the reason they're going out of business. Several people on this site have *****-canned their topline heads and gone with something else. The heads are probably good heads when the work right, but there are so many castings with flaws that its hard to get away from. Return the heads, get your money back and run like hell from pro-bottomline.

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Those are good heads, I have heard of a few problems with "SOME" of them not all of them. I know people making big power with them.

The reason they are having financial difficulties has nothing to do with the product they produce. The problem is when they started, they were very successful and got too big for their britches. They bought up another company and that when the name changed. This is my understanding of what happened. They just got out of control with their spending and the business got in trouble (they tried to grow too fast).

I don't think I would buy a set of their heads right now (unless I could find an old set) but, if they get their act back together I would give them a shot.

If anyone out there doesn't want their Pro Action or Toplines I will pay for shipping and dispose of them for you. Killer let me know if any of your buddies that are "*****-canning" them cause I would be happy to help them get rid of them.


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Hmm, I think Jmark *****-canned a set. Do a search!



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JMark are you out there? If you have a set that you want to throw away let me know I will be happy the pay the shipping and dispose of them for you.

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Old 05-06-2004, 10:03 AM
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btw here are some "satisfied" HR members:
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I take donations of pro topline heads too. I will also pay for shipping, I have a good place to dispose of them.

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I'm not sure if heads that are cast with bolts running into the water-jackets, misaligned pushrod holes and intake runners that are out of alignment are worth anything. I mean, if you want a pair of 55-pount pieces of crap I can start eating some bran cereal right now and get started for you! lol

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Killer, while some of the heads did have problems, the problem are fixable. That is my point. Would I want to buy a set of brand new heads and have to invest to get them ready to run, NO. Now if someone is willing to give them away I am more than willing to spend a few bucks to correct the problems and have a nice set of heads for sheap. You were talking about them like they were not usuable or like they were junk. This is just not the case, I have yet to hear of a pair that couldn't be fixed with some minor work. While agree that is not OK if I just paid $1200 for a set, but if I can pick up a set for $500 I wouldn't worry about a few minor details.

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I know a guy who works at a motor building shop called Revolutionary Performance. He flow tested a set of the pro topline 200cc, 2.02 1.60 valve heads to see what they would really do out of the box. Below I have posted some sites, one is the pro topline advertised numbers, then the tested numbers by Revolutionary Performance, then the flow numbers for a set of AFR 195cc heads,which have been proven to be accurate. (just to compare).

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If you got a Pro head properly machined, you got a good head. . .they would make power. . .but as far as the bad ones and the quality control from batch to batch. . .it was terrible. I have customers with combined defects in the 100's of thousands of dollars.

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If you got a Pro head properly machined, you got a good head. . .they would make power. . .but as far as the bad ones and the quality control from batch to batch. . .it was terrible. I have customers with combined defects in the 100's of thousands of dollars.

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Yeah. Proof enough for me to make a boat anchor out of those pieces of *****.

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Well I have a set of the Pro Topline 200cc Aluminums on my fresh 383 SBC that I built for my Camaro. The engines in the car but havent started it yet. This post almost has me ready to yank them off and sell them to buy some AFR's...lol. Hell I thought It was too good of a deal to be true. I will probably just cross my fingers and hope I got one of the good sets. The Intake ports did look poorly cast as they didnt seem to line up with the gasket very well. Its like that part of the head that divides the two intake ports where they meet the manifold was slightly off center on a couple of cylinders and their wasnt enough material there to correct it with a port match. I'll let you guys know how it goes once I fire the engine.
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I have two sets of pro top line heads now, both for Fords 215cc runners, One of which im using on my stroker motor. I also have dealt with a few of their other heads, the only problem I have had was with there inflated Flow #'s. Both the chevy and ford heads I tested were quite different then what they claimed. Other then that a cool head at a good price, I had a dealer discount so was buying at a discount, wish I had bought more..

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