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Old 10-19-2005, 10:57 PM
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The problem with Rat/Traditional Rods

This isn't a bash rat rods thread at all. However, some people concentrate way too much on the cool and forget about the things that really matter.

For instance, the car below would be considered by most people to be a pretty "cool" rat or traditional rod, however see if you can tell what is WRONG in this picture. It should be pretty obvious.


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Old 10-19-2005, 11:06 PM
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No front brakes,That is scary.
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Old 10-19-2005, 11:07 PM
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Hmmm, yeah maybe the "things that really matter" part should give it away.

You know older trucks (big trucks, not pickup trucks) didnt have any front brakes. My grandfathers 57 Mack LT never doesnt have front brakes.

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Hmmm, yeah maybe the "things that really matter" part should give it away.

You know older trucks (big trucks, not pickup trucks) didnt have any front brakes. My grandfathers 57 Mack LT never doesnt have front brakes.
The shop where I work used to remove the front brakes from many over the road trucks,remove the shoes and hardware and plug off the air lines.Alot of those old truckers didnt want front brakes,they said they were dangerous! I am not a truck driver so I dont know. I do know that all trucks are now required to have functioning front brakes. If I was driving one of those big mothers I would want all the brakes I could get!
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Doc here,

Just upon quick glance...

No Fenders, No wipers, No signal system, No obvious brake system rotors?..but no calipers (what the hell were they thinking?), Headlights that are low enough to be blocked on a sharp turn, Passenger Door that is obviously sprung, No shocks or sway bars, and (although one is there, but just goes frame rail to frame rail and nowhere else...what seems like it's sole purpose is to provide a mount for the front license plate....) Front springs, A Drag link system, I wouldn't trust on a coaster wagon, Single bolt front Axel (on what looks like equal care welds), The fact that it's licensed for the street, The fact it's from Jersey...(LOL just kidding on the last one folks.. )

I wouldn't TOW that piece of Canine feces ... Much less drive it...

That would net you a DWV Citation here...(driving without benefit of a Vehicle)

Even the Rats won't nest there , for fear of their personal safety..

RATRODS are KEWL IF you put them together with basic safety in mind..that doesn't qualify...

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Old 10-20-2005, 07:58 AM
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Doc here,

Just upon quick glance...
Ya, what Doc said ... now factor in the 12-pack of beer in the background.

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Besides Docs list, How about the "hood scoop" on the cowl? So you can supercharge the air to your feet?

Or the welded steering arm loop?
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Old 10-20-2005, 09:37 AM
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I don't like the door alignment,and how the bed sits in proportion to the body. Lack of front brakes is scary as well! I still think that there is a formula to building a rat rod and some guys think they can just throw something together without any thought and it's a rod. They lose sight of what it really should be.
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You guys are all right. The big thing of course is the lack of front brakes but like Doc did .... if you really look closely it can be very scary.
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Am I the only one here that thought it just needed a bigger engine?










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Think about it!

I have a *****'n fenderless 32 ford roadster. Cookie cutter? YES! BUT it is the car that I dreamt about all thru high school in the 50's. I did all of the things then that these guy's are doing now to my 40 ford, the only car I could afford ($100). Now I am 66 years old and driving my dream car every day. Remember It's not what other people think, It's how YOU feel about YOUR dream car!
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I have a *****'n fenderless 32 ford roadster. Cookie cutter? YES! BUT it is the car that I dreamt about all thru high school in the 50's. I did all of the things then that these guy's are doing now to my 40 ford, the only car I could afford ($100). Now I am 66 years old and driving my dream car every day. Remember It's not what other people think, It's how YOU feel about YOUR dream car!
That's very true..... to a point. When the safety of a rod is compromised in the name of "cool" it effects everyone else out on the road. Can you imagine the car in the pic on a wet road in a panic stop situation? That accident wouldn't only effect the driver of the rod but whoever he hits as well.

Traditional or Rat is fine if that's your taste but "cool" shouldn't be at the expense of safety. IMHO anyway.
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Doc here,

...Front springs, A Drag link system, I wouldn't trust on a coaster wagon, Single bolt front Axel (on what looks like equal care welds...
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Or the welded steering arm loop?
Ok guys, I feel pretty dumb right now, but I'm willing to learn. I know I'm young and have a lot to learn. I'm embarrased to say that the front suspension is very similar to what I am building. Edjumacate me.

Front springs...??? I'm not understanding. 99% of all the cars of this type have a transverse spring in the front. What is wrong with this?

What is wrong with the drag link system? I've seen this on tons of rods. Heck other than putting an ugly rack out front, how else are you suppose to do it?

Single bolt front axle...not sure what this means. Can you clarify?

Welded steering arm loop...again, what is wrong with this? Is it the quality of the welds that is scary or the loop itself?

I've learned pretty much everything from 30 years worth of reading StreetRodder, Rod & Custom, and various other mags, meeting and talking to numerous people at car shows about their setups. I don't have a mentor to help me. I've never heard anyone say anything negative about the problems you are mentioning here. How else is a guy to learn?
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Single bolt front axle...not sure what this means. Can you clarify?
One bolt each side holding the front axle on.
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hey , AT least he's not a ricer
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