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Old 11-11-2012, 02:15 PM
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thanks guys . great help . im going to leave well alone now as i dont like back fireing as i know it kills pv.s i have a couple of bits to sort and finish on the car and then i will get to the dyno . in the mean time i will get some extra plugs etc. the dyno shop stock all holley parts so they just suggested i bought what i had so i can use my stuff before being billed for using theirs .

firebird i am **** scrared of cutting off my choke horns - carb horns . are you 100% sure and i will never need a choke ? even when i go to spain and weather is hot and humid ?

if so are you able to draw a diagram, of where you suggest or explain ?

also what oil would you reccomend me using on the dyno for the first session. i currently have millers running in oil which is very new and i have changed the oil filter aswell .

i have been using 98 octane all the time and agree with the -+2 point.

i also blend bio fuels and blend waste oils for my diesel work vans. so a bit of a chemist at the weekends

i have checked my oil level and its consistant so i am sure i have no bore wash and the coolant has racing grade antifreeze and i have twin elec fans on the front. which way should these flow ??? pushing air onto the raditors ( ie the way the atmoshere would hit the car - currently the way its set up ) or opposite so as to pull the heat away from the raditor which seems harder work but i know of it to have been done by some .

cheers all . am getting there week by week , xmas should be fun if its dry and nice as i have 2 weeks off.

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No you don't need a functional choke on a blower motor. Especially in Spain.
Chokes are illegal in Spain.

(the choke is for cold weather start up/warm up on a stock vehicle)
Not going to work on a blower motor with a blower hat. Cut them off. Do not cut off the bowl vent tube boss.

Always start up a blower motor with a CLOSED throttle.

Once it fires up:

You warm up a blower motor by holding it at a high idle speed 2000+ rpm and let it warm up, before driving it.
You don't need a choke. Don't allow the motor to idle slow, when its cold. Keep the rpm up, when its cold, untill some heat gets in the blower case. The idea is to get some heat in the blower and intake manifold quickly to eliminate fuel wash, engine wear, backfireing and short plug life. RPM is your friend.

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becasue of the all the engine idling etc etc,,, its time for a motor oil and filter change.

oil is cheap,,, engine bearings are expensive.


I would use a good quality conventional 10w-40 motor oil. No oil additives are required.
warm the engine before full throttle testing so the oil is warm.
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ok i get the picture , yes i did start it with a couple of pedals then once it caught i held it for say 30 secs then i let it idle. so i will hold it and let it warm up in the future.

the running in oil and filter have probably had only 10 minutes of use at the most .

the reason why i ask is - do you think the millers running in oil is ok for the first dyno session or would you reccomend a more conventional oil. i like the idea of the rings bedding in quickly and not having too much lubrication , the guys at the dyno said once its fueling correctly they can run it in over a few stages over a 30 min period and run it in,

they then said it would be normal practice to change the oil once i have been to the dyno .
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30 seconds is not a warm up. Stay in the car, keep your foot on the gas and warm it up at 2000++++ rpm.
Watch the water temp gauge.. 5 to 10 minutes warm up.
No wonder you got fouled plugs. No idea what "Millers" is.... Change the oil and filter.
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When the engine is hot...like on a restart...you should not need to pump the gas.

CLOSED throttle..ALWAYS . Use the ignition interupt toggle switch.....crank it, 1-2-3 count and throw the spark switch on ,,,. fire it up and then rev it, to clear it. Clear it ,, then let it idle.

Real simple.... No computer required.

Computers are for porn searching.... even in Spain. Didn't any body tell you that?

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I didnt have a choke on my 461 ProStreet Nova, or my 383 ProStreet Ranger, nor do I have chokes on the (2) 750's on my ProStreet 502 Sierra w/ a 871.
I live in NY and it's cold as a MF here for months and outside a few extra minutes of warm up there is no problem starting or driving them without the choke.

BTW I also have a Supercharged 351W in my 93 Lightning but I'm running a 2.2 Kenne Bell Supercharger w/ Fuel Inj and a late model Bronco Computer so unfortunately I got nothing to share on that set up. You seem to be slowly dialing it in by fixing & adding things along the way but I got to agree that you need a 750 DP SC Carb (w/ no Choke) and you should make the change before it goes on a Dyno.
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Computers are for porn searching.... even in Spain. Didn't any body tell you that?

f bird what on earth are you on about ? this is a forum for hot rodders right ? well please act like one. you have helped me alot ( along with many others on this thread) but you seem to have this unneccesary side to you that not only i have witnessed. if you cant post normal replies to help out than i would rather you didnt to be honest .

millers is a brand name ok ??? just like castrol -yada yada yada. but forget the brand name . my questions that i was trying to get anwsered was - would you reccomend a running oil for "running in on a dyno " or would you reccomend a more conventional oil ?

PRO STREET thanks for the advise . sounds like you have a nice selction of toys there . i would be interetsed in your 351w spec ?

also i take the point on the 750dp carb . and will see how i go . i have read alot from pat ganahl who is a well known engine and blower builder - he also reccomends the set up i have for "street supercharging " i am not interested in the strip with this car-as i am also building a porcshe 928 350 chevy nitros for that- but that is for another topic - i want the secoundaries to come in when the blower wants them to . and i know i can get these carbs set up for a good street run set up and with good ecomony ( well as best as can be expected with a blower )

thanks for your help .

am back on it tomorrow .
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Computers are for porn searching.... even in Spain. Didn't any body tell you that?

sounds like you have a nice selction of toys there . i would be interetsed in your 351w spec ?
Nothing wrong with a little Hot Babe porn and I do agree with you about computers, NOTHING is worse than being at the mercy of a Tuner
I probably felt different when my old 00 Lightning was running 9's at 140 MPH and I was driving it to and from the track but I have friends that give up their vehicles for 6 months to get tuned and that is absolutely INSANE and unacceptable. I bought this Lightning mostly as a tow vehicle and also to have a fun vehicle to drive more often. The Sierra only comes out on the SPECIAL DAYS.

The set up is nothing to crazy, just a fun performance truck I can drive anytime and anywhere and also do some towing

1993 Ford Lightning
High Output 5.8L w/high-silicon aluminum hypereutectic pistons 8.8:1
Hydraulic flat-tappet camshaft, duration is 260 degrees intake, 274 exhaust
Aluminum Trick Flow Heads
Scorpion Performance Roller Rockers
Kenne Bell 2.2 Blowzilla Supercharger
Kenne Bell Boost-A-Pump w/ In Cab Control
Accufab 75MM Throttle Body
Pro-M 92MM MAF
Ford Racing 30 lb Injectors
3.5 Cold Air Intake System

Built E4OD Transmission

8.8 Rear 4.10 Posi

MSD Boost Timing Master Control (#5462) w/ In Cab Control
MSD Street Fire Coil
Late 90s Bronco Computer (302 E4OD)
Bassani Equal Length Headers
Bassani Off Road X Pipe w/Cat Delete
Bassani Cat Back w/ (2) Side Outlet Tips

Looks pretty dam good for a 20 year old tow vehicle
And I can make all the adjustments I need to by simply turning a couple of knobs



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nice ride pro street

an nice engine spec. sounds a good match. i am glad to hear you also have hyper pistons. i like them too . how are you getting on with them ? had any det on them yet ?

what boost you running ?

i have booked the dyno for the first dyno run after xmas week . i am so busy with work and want it to be a nice experience and not a stress full one .

pics of sierra ?

i have just got my billet bonnet hinges and a 100amp polished chrome alternator. looking forward to fitting at the weekend
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hi all . thanks for all of your help - posts- advise and being there to listen and answer my questions. i drove it yesterday fro the first time in my life . been 10 yrs in the making and am so happy with it. am off to the dyno week after xmas , but for now its running nice and idiling sweet,

will post again after x mas when im back from the dyno

cheers all . have a good xmas break

my new billet hood hindges



bought a new 100 amp alternator











video of it running and walk around the car


engine running and walk about
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THAT'S ONE BEAUTIFUL & AWESOME LOOKING MACHINE
Great Job with the build, it must have been awesome to finally drive it for the first time, CONGRATS
It sounds Great , looks Insane, and I'm sure every single person that saw it was thumbs up, it doesn't get much better than that

To answer your questions no I haven't experienced any detonation with the 351w but I am aware of how bad it is and fast it can take your motor out.
The Lightning & Sierra are the 6th & 7th Supercharged Vehicles I've owned so I have a lot of experience with them. The Boost Gauge is the next thing in line to fix on the 351w so I actually dont know the exact Boost "yet", I'm working on straightening out the Sound System and Gauges now. I've been driving it a lot lately including an out of State Trip and it runs great and trouble free in all driving scenario's, I estimate the Boost to be @8

AS for the Sierra here's a couple of pic's for you
I just removed the Dual Air Cleaner and installed the Mr Roadster Scoop a week or so ago but after I did I realized I may not have enough air cleaner to feed this monster so I may switch to a BDS Scoop like you have at a later time.




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Now y'all just showin off! lol

Why do I think I could rebuild a SBC for what those billet hinges cost?

Beautiful Mustang.
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Old 12-10-2012, 05:23 AM
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Because you can

I forgot to mention that, KICK *** HINGES 671
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cobalt and pro street , you guys are great , so funny . thanks for all of the advise and help. yep am well happy with it

cobalt - the billet bonnet hinges where a present to myself for having the patience for 10 yrs to do it. i was well lucky though !!!! my cousin is in the RAF and was in CA training in the desert witrh the stupid big arse chonokes helicopters for afganistan. so he put them on the frieght RAF plane and send them to me. so saved 200 odd pound my end. so i reckon this is the only god damn thing that has come good from the sodding war out in afgan. arrrgghhhhhhhhhhh . dont start me off !!

pro street . thanks bud. nice ride too though. i like the spec. and defo for you to get a boost guage tut tut will post some videos after xmas once i have been on the dyno and also some figures !!

any bets on figures ?? i dont want them to go mad to be honest . i want to get some miles on it to before i let them go mad and rev it high and tune it for max power , thats the right thing to do ?

or is it best to bed the rings in a quick as poss as other people reccomend.
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