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Bad Rat 10-31-2005 11:18 AM

A professional compairason
 
I am just about ready to paint a 36 chev,,with a 3 stage color,, i still have some body work to do on it,, but have decided to let a young painter that has done some beautiful work,, do the squirt,, my question to you guys that have years of experience under your belts, and should be considered professional painters,, all painters have their own preference when it comes to brand and quality of products,, I have always liked PPG,, altho I do NOT consider myself a pro by any means,,and a paint process should be done with ALL the same product line,, thats why I am asking your opinion,, This Young guy swears by Swerwin/williams,[sic] if he insists on S/W I need to change to S/W primers or spi products,, I don't think I have ever used any of S/W products, but have heard some bad stories about them,, TRUE Or UNTRUE, I have also heard the same stories about PPG, so its all a personal preference and a personal experience with that product, do any of you guys have any personal likes or dislike of S/W paints,, or any other brand name products????? Thanks Bill :confused:

jcclark 10-31-2005 11:36 AM

I've used Sherwin Williams for years and they're good products.
I switched to Dupont for the convenience I have with that jobber.
I honestly don't think you're going to see a quality difference in
any of the major brands.
I'd opt to go with what the painter likes, if he's more comfortable with
one line you'll probably get better results with that line.
And, you won't have to worry that he'll blame the brand you used if
he screws up.

BarryK 10-31-2005 11:42 AM

In a situation like this I would let him use what he is best suited for and use too.

If you force PPG or something else on him any mistake will be your fault!

Make sure he does use the top line of S&W and not the lower end lines (western or one of their other low ends) if he does that, the job will last as all the top brands are great for longevity.

MARTINSR 10-31-2005 01:23 PM

I am torn on this one. It is like a painter telling the shop owner not to change paint systems even though it would benifit the shop.

The one thing I KNOW for sure, if they guy doesn't like PPG, you are in for a world of hurt if you use it. A painter will MAKE a system work if he wants and MAKE a system fail if he wants, PERIOD!!!

Brian

delanda 10-31-2005 01:34 PM

I dont know if in the USA Swerwin Williams have the same quality that have in Argentina but i used and is not the best, in my experience (not much) the S/W is much esay to lay down that the PPG , in the other hand the clear is not very hard and it get scratches very easily , maybe because the clear lay down so smooth the painter love it. (honestly when i used for the first time the PPG clear (alot of orange peel), i wanted to go back with S/W

The S/W that i have used was the High Solids (dont remember the exact number) and the PPG was D800.

adtkart 10-31-2005 05:14 PM

It actually sounds to me like you have 3 choices. Choose the painter that goes with the paint that you want. Choose the painter that you want, and accept the paint that he likes. The last choice is the worst as far as I am concerned, to try to get the painter of your choice to use a different product. That one could actually make it easier on the painter. He would have plenty of excuses on why something went wrong.

Aaron

jcarter 10-31-2005 05:53 PM

I had a car painted this spring using S/W products cause that is what they were set up for.It is 2 tone tricoat using 05 Cadillac white diamond pearl and redline.It is excellent.They used top line product and the paint rep spent the whole day at the shop watching.It has a lifetime warrenty, what ever that means.Paint rep said allS/W was garrentted this way.Personally,I like PPG also, and that is what I am using on the present one I'm doing myself.The S/W store is 200 miles away.If it were closer, I would consider them.

Bad Rat 10-31-2005 06:38 PM

I see the point you guys are making,,and its a real good one,,, altho I am not real sure that the painter would not gladly use PPG if I ask him too. he is a real good painter and the shop he works at uses S/W. he has used PPG before but not as much as S/W, so I don't really think the brand of paint makes a differance to him, He is trying to break into the custom painting end of the trade, and from what I have seen of his work,,, he will do good, he just needs the chance to paint a car that will showcase HIS work and NOT my shop, so I will leave the paint choice up to him,, it will be interesting to see what he chooses,, but at the present time I need to know ,, so I can use that same product, for prep,,
I think my next question should be directed to Barry,,I have been wanting to try SPI primers,, If I went with SPI for the prep.. is it compatible with PPG and S/W. or would I be asking for a big headache,, or stay with which ever brand he chooses???? ^THANKS FOR THE GOOD ADVICE GUYS Bill :thumbup:

crashtech 10-31-2005 07:56 PM

I worked at a shop that used SW, though I did not paint much there. The SW seemed to perform pretty well, and the cars that we painted that came back once in a while for minor repairs looked really good even after exposure to pretty harsh conditions. As far as I remember, the products were all from the "Ultra 7000" line, though the only clear I used was the 639 "Super Glamour" clear. It sprayed pretty nice.

P.S. I use PPG now, and I guess I prefer it, but usually we prefer what we are used to. All the different paint lines I have used have good and bad products in them, the trick is getting to know the products and making slight adjustments in technique to compensate for the differences.

adtkart 11-01-2005 03:49 AM

All painting is is learning the techniques. All paints have their own ways about them. I had always used Dupont, and had no problems with them. I was used to them. The painter I work with used Diamont, and was used to them. We both recently moved to a new shop, that uses SW. He was hesitant to change jobs because of the new product. It took him a little while to get used to it, and still has some setbacks. Fortunately he doesn't have to pay for materials when he makes a mistake, but he learns from them. I recently used some Debeers base coat, and Upol clear, because it was supplied with the vehicle. I had nothing but problems with it. I am not saying that there was a problem with those products, just problems with me using them. I guess we hadn't been introduced properly. :confused: I was fortunate in that SPI carries the exact color that I was spraying, so I was able to replace the other product without breaking the bank. That SPI product was more agreeable to the manor that I spray.

Keep in mind that a shop usually has the set-up to make more materials, in case of an error. That means that the painter will quickly learn that product if he is new to it. Working with a new product away from that environment, like when it is purchased just for a specific job, there isn't that safety net.

Aaron

jcclark 11-01-2005 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Parten
If I went with SPI for the prep.. is it compatible with PPG and S/W. or would I be asking for a big headache,, or stay with which ever brand he chooses???? ^THANKS FOR THE GOOD ADVICE GUYS Bill :thumbup:

Barry doesn't like to comment on SPI products so let me tell you
one thing for sure, SPI primer can be used under any basecoat just like
any other major brand of primer can. SPI basecoat can be used under
anyones clear also like any other major brands of basecoat can.
Many on this forum have used it that way with no problems.

Bad Rat 11-01-2005 12:04 PM

I spoke with the painter Yesterday,, and he said he would use any product that I chose,, I ask him which product he had the most experance with and was most comfortable with,, S/W,, and if he prefered to use S/W, he answered yes,, so I think we will go with S/W, the shop he works at has all the mixing equipment, , Thank you for answering the SPI question,, I understand Barry's position,, I intend to use SPI for the primer and prep stage,,,, Thanks for the great professional advice,, Bill :thumbup:


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