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profiler 195s a good cylinder head??

Anybody running a set of profiler 195' cylinder heads? I was told they were much cheaper than the afr 195. . But perform just as well .... especially for street use only...

Are they good cylinder heads???

Sbc 383.

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Anybody running a set of profiler 195' cylinder heads? I was told they were much cheaper than the afr 195. . But perform just as well .... especially for street use only...

Are they good cylinder heads???

Sbc 383.
And what braintrust shared this info with you?
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Uh oh... I take it these heads is like eating out the trash? Lol
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Speier Racing Heads
There is a lot of info out there if you look enough.
The Pro filer 195 may in fact not have the flow numbers of the AFR head, but flow numbers don't tell the entire tale, port velocity also plays a huge role and that's where the profiler shines. They also have the ability for future upgrade, Speier has them flowing over 300cfm with port work. They use the same casting for 185-210 and have the room to be ported heavily.
For $1100.00 there really isn't another out of the box "as cast" head that will touch them. Your other option is buying through Speier racing, for the same money as the AFR head you can get into a set of his "econoport" profilers which out run the AFR's across the board. If its a budget concern he also offers an offshore casting (assault racing) thats available in the econoport and built with quality parts through Speiers for less money then the AFR or the profiler. Some people have issues spending money on an offshore casting, and I get that, personally I dont have that issue. Where you spend your money is as always, up to you. Because pro filer has the unfortunate "pro" in its name, and because they don't have the marketing and advertising budget that AFR does they tend to get painted as a "budget" head or even called an "offshore" casting. Neither is the case. Spend some time researching Pro filer products in general, especially there BBC stuff and you will see what they are all about.
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Yes I done alot of research last night.. and people were saying nothing but good things about these heads.. and I even saw a heated debate between a guy from afr and another who works with profiler. One guy posted dyno results and im shocked at how amazing the results were
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There are a lot of guys here that love the fancy pictures AFR supplies, and they probably do a better job marketing than any other cylinder head company- I don't think anyone questions that. The question is- is Profiler a good head? You bet. It will give up some advantages to the AFR's as they have more investment in machine work, if you can get A EQUALLY PREPPED set of profilers then they should have no problem beating the AFR's, as cast they perform very well, but you can't expect an as cast head to beat such a well developed fully machined head, the casting is damn good but it's not perfect.

This is one of those places where I would also question is the $700 you save by running Profiler's can be better spent elsewhere- perhaps in a better valve train, pistons, roller cam, rings, bearings, oil pump, oil control, etc- I would bet that a AFR head with a flat tappet cam would get beat by a Profiler head with a roller cam- and the overall cost between the two is about the same.

There comes a point where a "good enough" head is good enough, and your attention, and money, needs to be spent elsewhere.
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Chad Speier is the real deal. He didn't just fall off the proverbial turnip truck. He has a bit of an internet history going against the grain about AFRs. However, Pro-Filer had some heavy involvement with Darin Morgan, who was THE cylinder head guy at Reher Morrison. Darrin eventually left ProFiler and went back to RM; however the ports, combustion chamber and intake manifold are his designs apparently.
To be frank, an all american head thats 90% of an AFR, for less money...on a street car, I doubt you'd notice much difference (other than saying "I have AFRs")
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So would you order them bare or assembled?
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Contact them and see if they can assemble with the parts you want, if you're not a head guy. If not, maybe contact Chad Speier?
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If you want real AFR competiton get the Speir heads with hir port job matched for your combo. The price goes up but you'll have some premo heads too.

Or just go for the cheap **** that works- like I usually do.
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Apparently the Jegs branded heads are also Pro-filers as well, if you find the heads are on backorder direct from Pro-filer.
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I know an engines gets most of its power from "cylinder heads".... thats why im going all out to get some good flowing heads. . I don't wanna go short there.... but I keep seeing in these posts how these cylinder heads go toe to toe with afr... ive seen the website where chad spier' will do the heads for you but for 1500 - 1600'.. I can go with afr... my goal is only 400-425hp'and 450tq

The profilers in stock form can do this?
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I know an engines gets most of its power from "cylinder heads".... thats why im going all out to get some good flowing heads. . I don't wanna go short there.... but I keep seeing in these posts how these cylinder heads go toe to toe with afr... ive seen the website where chad spier' will do the heads for you but for 1500 - 1600'.. I can go with afr... my goal is only 400-425hp'and 450tq

The profilers in stock form can do this?
There are a lot of heads out there that can hit those very modest power goals, if that's really all the power you want you're buying too much head.
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64cc Dart SHPs (NOT the 76cc chambers) or the IK200s should be able to handle that without too much thought. Hell the new fast burn ZZ5 GM head has raised ports and could carry that with ease.
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